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FBI Investigating Scientology

February 8, 2011

Another article this morning about Scientology – in the St. Pete Times:

FBI Investigating Scientology, Defectors Say

and Huffington Post.

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14 Comments
  1. February 8, 2011 6:27 pm

    Thanks for speaking to “wog justice”, Jeff.

    Here’s to a future filled with indictments and jury trials that eliminate the dangers that Scientology poses to a free society.

  2. lunamoth permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:17 pm

    Good job, Jeff. Was it hard to not talk about this for so long? Ever tempted to chime in on an exchange between commentors as to whether authorities were paying attention to all the criminal
    activity going on in miscavige’s organization? LOL.

    In reading the Huffington Post this a.m. I noticed that davis’ response to the New Yorker article was that some unnamed source within the FBI said the investigation had been dropped . This contradicts the two different sources reported as saying it is definitely on-going. Davis made the point that it was now the responsibility of those reporting on the story to also report that contradiction. Obviously hoping to create confusion and contraversy with contrarary data.

    Here is what I’ve concluded is the church’s program for handling this shitstorm in the media :

    1. Call everybody a liar; the witnesses are apostates, the whistleblowers are incompetents with shady pasts and criminal acts. All are lying. About everything. Once the witness’ accounts are published, the media becomes “liars,” as well.

    2. Flatly deny that anything ever happened to anybody anywhere, and that includes all the things you or other officials of the c of m have already attested to (in writing, or under oath or to law enforcement) DID happen. Do NOT be influenced by having already said it happened, just say it didn’t and assert it ferociously with as much flying spittle as possible. If you can get your eyes to bug out, too, that’s awesome.

    3. If the above fails to make the evil attackers cower from your mighty righteousness, introduce as much misinformation as can. You can lie (everybody else does, apparently, and it’s for a really, really good cause). If you have a plant in the office of the FBI, someone who has given the agent interviewing the “apostates” reason to feel the office is compromised, just get them to say it.

    4. If all else fails: Grab that bucket of gasoline marked “SCIENTOLOGY FIRE EXTINGUISHER”
    AND THROW IT ON THE FIRE.

    • Michael permalink
      February 9, 2011 4:15 pm

      Thank you for that image of the bug-eyed spittler! Very homorous and well put. Scn on the hot seat, yes!

    • John Doe permalink
      February 9, 2011 11:12 pm

      Okay. I suggest the church retain new legal counsel:

  3. Fidelio permalink
    February 8, 2011 9:05 pm

    Jeff,

    I cannot thank you and all who spoke up enough – so I won’t even try to express what cannot be expressed:

    ————THANK YOU!————-

    All your work comes to fruition.

    Fidelio

  4. dora N. permalink
    February 8, 2011 9:44 pm

    Check out NPR.org – Lawrence Wright is interviewed on Fresh Air by Terry Gross

    • Jeff permalink*
      February 8, 2011 10:25 pm

      Link here.

    • Aeolus permalink
      February 8, 2011 10:41 pm

      Thanks, Dora. Good interview.

  5. Karen#1 permalink
    February 8, 2011 10:57 pm

    Jeff ~~

    These are some very useful links and information that I forwarded to all levels of Law Enforcement.

    Los Angeles Times
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/02/paul-haggis-scientology-hubbard-new-yorker-wright-miscavige.html

    Huffington Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/08/tom-cruise-scientology-under-fbi-investigation_n_820250.html

    Private and Person INNUREMENT for Tom Cruise in violation of 501C3

    Tom Cruise gets a lot of privileges from the CULT.
    In exchange he visits the state department and allows “Photos Ops” of himself with Senators to protect the CULT under “Religion” and 1st amendment.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/08/feds-probe-church-scientology-work-tom-cruise-report-says/

    New York Post
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/cruise_church_labor_probed_lNckRxqOTLp5LvQAe3iGFI

    I scratch your back, you scratch mine

    ##################################################

    Wikileaks

    Wikileaks: U.S. State Dept. shills for Scientology~~~ Tom Cruise pushes for the CULT.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Office of Ursula Caberta, Tuesday, November 13, 2007

    It was a typical fall day in Hamburg, Germany; cloudy skies, periods of sunshine and a cool 35 degrees F. Ursula Caberta was talking on the telephone with the Russian Ambassador in Berlin.

    They were discussing the possibility that the Russian government might place the Church of Scientology under surveillance by the internal security police as had happened in Germany.

    Eventually Russia, like Bulgaria and most of the other Eastern European nations, had also discovered, experienced and disapproved of the revenue relationships between the Church of Scientology, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises or W.I.S.E., and its various member businesses, as well as many of their business activities, human rights violations and the church’s subversive global totalitarian political agenda.

    A mere thirty minutes later two senior officials from the United States General Consulate in Hamburg were shown into Ursula’s office. The United States Consul had telephoned her a few days earlier and had invited her to a meeting at the Consulate.

    Ursula had refused saying she was too busy and would not set foot upon American soil again after being treated by the United States legal system the way she was in the Lisa McPherson case. “If you want to come to my office I’m able to fit you in for a few minutes on Tuesday the 13th.” Now the two American diplomats were seated before her. An older man and a younger woman.

    The older of the two American diplomats asked, “What are you working on?” Ursula smiled. “You could have read that in my reports and the Consul-General could have asked me that on the telephone.” The two diplomats frowned in unison. The older one, now clearly the spokesperson, sheepishly responded. “We’re here because we do not want to see any problems between the United States and German governments over Scientology.” Ursula’s smile changed to laughter.

    “We do not have a problem with Scientology because we treat it for what it is. You have a problem with Scientology.” The younger consular official joined in saying “In the United States we have a different view of Scientology than some of you in Germany.”

    Ursula leapt on her. “In Germany we see Scientology as an extremist political group. The United States does not. Well, you are dealing with Islamic terrorists and we are dealing with Scientology terrorists. My opinion is that we have to ban Scientology and its infiltration tactics.”

    The younger of two consular officials asked why? Ursula smiled again. “You need to read my book,” she said. The young U.S. Consulate officer beamed, “We bought five copies and sent them to the State Department in Washington.”

    The senior Consulate official spread a little flattery. “The best book on Scientology ever published,” he said. “Is it an official book?” Ursula smiled again while thinking “these stupid Americans.” “No, it is my book, but my boss, the Minister presented it with me so I am certain that he is in agreement with my opinions.” “That is very fortunate for you,” said the senior U. S. Consulate official sarcastically.

    Ursula bristled and tersely responded, “In Germany we have the freedom to both work for the government and to write books.” The senior Consulate official blushed. “You must inform the United States State Department that your book contains only your personal opinions on Scientology and not the official position.”

    Ursula was tiring of the arrogance of these two American diplomats. “No,” she snapped. “I will advise my State Department in Berlin and you can talk to them. I told your Consul-General that I will never set foot on United States soil again. I’ll tell you why. [She recounted the story from above re her hotel subpoena and deposition in the Lisa McPherson trial and the Heller v. Caberta case].

    I can give you lists of people who we have helped leave Scientology after years of being brutalized by terror and deprived of their human rights. In a free country, like Germany, I can look after them.” The two U.S. Consular officials were speechless. After a long silence the senior Consular official spoke again. “The United States State Department is very concerned about Scientology too and it does not want to have any new problems with Germany over the Scientology issue.

    Can you please talk to someone in my State Department? Maybe we do not know what is really going on with Scientology.” Ursula looked incredulous as she said, “Don’t be stupid. You know what is going on with Scientology. I hope that one of their top leaders that have defected will call me and receive political asylum from Germany because he cannot get any help from the U.S. government.”

    This time the senior U.S. Consular official looked triumphent and pounced. “So you are serious? That is what Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department, on Scientology.” It was Ursula’s time to smile. “What Tom Cruise says in his letters to the State Department?

    I published one of them in my book. I think that is why you are really here. Thank you for helping me in Europe. Did you know that the person Tom Cruise refers to as LRH (L. Ron Hubbard) wrote that millions of people can be thrown into concentration camps and exterminated. Maybe you in America call Scientology a religion but the whole organization is against human rights whatever you want to call it in America.

    As for not offering former American senior Scientology officials requiring asylum and immunity from prosecution in Germany, in exchange for their testimony, the United States had granted ________ , a German scientologist, political asylum and an immigration visa in the United States because of alleged German government surveillance and persecution of the Church of Scientology.”

    She picked up a news clipping from a stack on her desk and handed it to the two diplomats. It was a report on the U.S. Government’s granting of political asylum to the German Scientologist. Ursula then went over to her book case, removed a white three ring-binder titled, “The Hard Sell Pack” and flicked through the pages in front of the two consular officials. “Does that look like religious literature to you?

    It looks like aggressive commercial marketing and expoitation to me.” Ursula’s secretary buzzed on the intercom. Her next appointment, a former cult member, was now waiting. Ursula rose and started showing the two U.S. Consulate officers to the door. “Well, we just want to be sure that there are no problems over Scientology between the United States and Germany,” the senior U.S. Consular official repeated.

    Ursula was feeling repetitive too. “In Germany we no longer have a problem with Scientology. But you in the United States do.”

    Office of Ursula Caberta, Thursday, November 15, 2007

    Ursula was in her office, meeting with her senior staff attorney, when she received a follow-up telephone call from the senior political/commercial official at the United State Consulate General’s office in Hamburg. The American diplomat got straight to the point.

    They had been disturbed by what they had heard and seen when they had met in her office two days ago. They were especially concerned to know the reasons and evidence supporting her position that the Church of Scientology should not be considered a church but instead a totalitarian political organization engaged in criminal activity, unlawful medical practice, commercial activity and money laudering.

    Ursula responded that the request was crazy. “You have all of the information in the United States. You know why the Church should not be tax-exempt.” The American Diplomat responded that they still needed a document listing her reasons and the evidence that she has for her views. “I am not allowed to tell you that.

    Why do you need it? Who needs it?” said Ursula. The American diplomat hestitated and then said, “It is only to inform State Department officials in Washington.” Ursula lowered her voice and slowed her speech. “If you will not tell me who needs such a document, why and for whom, then I will have to have the approval of my boss, the Minister of the Interior.

    In my experience your U.S. State Department should be requesting the information from me through the German State Department. Please do it the proper and official way for this information concerning Scientology.” The American diplomat sighed, “So you want an official United States government letter that requests your reasons and evidence for saying the things you do in your book?” “Yes,” said Ursula. “But why do you want it? You are U.S. citizens.

    I get my best information from U.S. citizens living in the United States.” The American diplomat almost spoke over Ursula with his response. “Is that how you got a copy of the letter from Tom Cruise to the Secretary of State?” Ursula laughed. “Oh, you are back to the Tom Cruise’s 2003 letter that I published in my book.

    The letter in which Tom Cruise thanks the U.S. State Department for being so helpful in the Church of Scientology’s battles in Europe and with the various European governments. Then you should request the information in the proper and official way from State Department to State Department.

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33502

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e…cuments/135450

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog…-ask-we-search

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-e…cuments/135450

  6. Idle Org permalink
    February 8, 2011 11:44 pm

    Jeff,

    I know you may have things which cannot be revealed (?), but in your best estimation and with the data you may have, do you feel there is a real chance that this could mark the beginning of DM’s demise?

    Or are we just going to hear from some FBI rep that “nothing much was found in the investigation” and “don’t get your hopes up”, etc.

    One thing is for sure about all this: If the church’s public image was rotten before, it’s in Total Failure now!

  7. Cinnamon permalink
    February 9, 2011 1:20 am

    Now that the cat’s out of the bag, on their investigation, it would be nice if the FBI were to talk to us, to tell us what we can expect to happen.

    • lunamoth permalink
      February 9, 2011 7:22 am

      Now that the cat’s out of the bag, the FBI should be aware that we expect results.

      A continuing and long standing pattern of criminal activity on the part of the church has been made public knowledge now, first via the internet and then followed by exposure in the world press. Other governments and courts have already found scientology guilty of fraud and other crimes, have invoked restrictions on the organization’s activities, fined them, jailed agents of the organization and refused to consider the “church” a bonafide religion.

      FBI is a little late to the party, but they can redeem themselves by putting on their Big Boy pants and getting the job done. Boys?

  8. brendon permalink
    February 9, 2011 11:49 pm

    I suspect that nothing is going to come from the Feds on this matter anytime soon, at least not on the human trafficing angle. (There may be other avenues for them to pursue depending on what they’ve been told.)

    The reason is that I don’t really think it can be demonstrated that the RPF’rs, the Hebers, and so on, are not there voluntarily. That if they really wanted to leave, they couldn’t.

    Yes, the belief system (“you’ll lose your eternity”) is wired to make that hard. Yes, leaving has many problems when it comes to triggering disconnection and freeloader debt and simply having to deal with Church members trying to get you to come back. But unless I’ve missed something, the recovery teams do not physically drag anyone anywhere.

    I bet the FBI couldn’t find the crime in all this.

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