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“Return to Route Out Properly”

October 10, 2010

I’ve posted before that the Church’s insistence that Ex-Sea Org Members “return to route out properly” is a trap. The latest evidence of this is the story of Daniel Montalvo posted on Marty’s blog, and subsequently reported by the Village Voice, LA Weekly and Time Newsfeed.

You can read the whole story at any one of these links. Basically, Daniel blew from Bridge Publications, taking with him several hard drives containing his music and some work files from Bridge. Marty and others advised him to return them right away, which he did, via messenger service.

He then went to Florida to join Tom Devocht, who had offered to house him and find him a job. There, he faced pressure from Scientologists, including his own family, to return and “route out properly.” Eventually, he called in to talk to his mother, but instead was put through to Scientology lawyer Kendrick Moxon, who threatened him with arrest for theft unless he returned and “routed out properly.”

“Routing out properly” is Scientology speak for their procedure for making sure people are too scared to speak out. I’ve described it on this blog, in the section “Leaving the Sea Org,”as follows:

“If a person blows the Sea Organization, the Sea Org will contact them and try to get them to ‘route out properly.’ You, and they, should know what this means. The person ‘routing out properly’ will undergo weeks or months of Security Checking. They will meanwhile be on manual labor, under Security watch. The Security Check is deemed complete when the person has confessed to enough crimes or transgressions to satisfy the Church, which is to say, when they have enough ‘dirt’ on the person so they know they can blackmail them into silence should they ever decide to expose what they know. They are then allowed to ‘route out.’ This involves signing voluminous waivers and gag orders, waiving any and all rights the person has to ever sue, and threatening the person with massive fines if they should ever speak out. The person receives no copies of these agreements. They are legally questionable – their main purpose is to intimidate. When all the forms are signed, the person is offloaded from the Sea Organization with $500.00 ‘severance pay.’ The Sea Org makes no attempt to help the person relocate or find a job. They are dumped, quite literally, on the street. That is ‘routing out properly.’ It only benefits the Church, there is no benefit to the individual at all. If the person has managed to escape the Sea Org, or wants to stay out permanently after a family visit, discourage them from returning to ‘route out properly.’ They will gain nothing from it.”

In Daniel’s case, it was worse than that. As soon as he landed in LA, he was arrested for “theft” and jailed. Remember this is a kid who grew up in the Sea Org and knows no other life. He has no family or friends outside the Sea Org. Or so the C of S thought. Turns out, he had lots of friends. He was bailed out and funds raised for his legal defense within 24 hours.

All of this is indicative of the rising desperation level of the C of S. They are now facing increasing defections. By staff and public. Believe me, they don’t know the half of it. So now, they are getting desperate, and it shows.

If one lesson is to be learned from Daniel’s story, it is this: don’t try to negotiate with a desperate, criminal organization. Don’t fall for this “routing out properly” nonsense. It is only to benefit them and cover their asses, to try to get enough dirt on you and get you to sign enough documents so you will be shuddered into silence.

It ain’t working. We will not be silenced.

  1. October 10, 2010 7:48 pm

    I believe what LRH intended for routing out was so that if the guy/gal wanted to leave, get your o/w’s off and go on with your life, be happy. Don’t get stuck in your o/w’s.
    The whole routing out process was suppose to be swift like 24/48 hours max. Not a big deal.

    IMO, if LRH were alive today, he would have seen what I saw, a kid that was confused and scared and didn’t know what to do. So he took the hard drives because it had his own music on it.

    But instead of giving this kid the benefit of the doubt, they treat him life a criminal?
    They make him wrong for wanting to live, for not putting up with their suppressive out ethics bullshit.

    And to top it off, they don’t even care about this kid, they only cared about what was on
    those hard drives.

    To them, their hard drives were more important than this kids well being.

    These people don’t value human life.

    Scientology was about freedom not slavery.

    But as again, everything that scientology was has been twisted, altered to benefit
    the church of David Miscavige.

    There is no negotiating with bullies. Another fine example of who these
    people are, who they really are. By their actions we will know them.

    Here’s a litte ditty dedicated to everyone that continues to speak out and refuses to be silenced by this suppressive organization.

  2. lunamoth permalink
    October 10, 2010 8:41 pm

    Jeff, the most significant result of this dm-produced fiasco, for me, was the response of a unified field when the call for help went out. Anon’s, ex’s, Indies and people having no connection to scientology at all, responded as one to help Daniel escape the gnarled claw of the “church.”

    After years of screaming that “it’s us against them,” dm has finally succeed in creating exactly the scenario he has long been mocking up. There is now such a feeling of solidarity among the thousands of disparate people all over the world, people who recognize dm’s insanity and are determined to help those still at risk from him, that he cannot hope to stop us.

    I watched the dono’s come in to Marty’s site when the call for support for Daniel went out. It was
    impressive. With hours the full amount of money needed had been raised from many individual sources. The significance of that is not the dollar amount that was donated; it was the degree of agreement among the many and the ability of Marty’s words to activate thousands of informed and free-thinking people toward a common goal, to save an innocent kid from miscavige’s unabated psychotic urge to destroy.

    I have no doubt that dm could have come up with 10x that much money in a fraction of the time, but that has proven to be meaningless. Dm could never have inspired to action even one associated terminal, could not have gotten one person to self-determinedly contribute to the motion of one of his causes. His organization has become as psychotic, destructive and ultimately ineffective as he himself his. And now, a year after I first became aware of what is really going on inside the church, I think the tide has finally turned. I believe we are finally approaching the final act.

    • Karen#1 permalink
      October 16, 2010 3:17 am

      ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CONGRATULATIONS JEFF !!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

      A very nice plug for “Leaving Scientology” blog plus your essays in particular “Thought Stoppers” from Mike Rinder on his Radio Show today…..

      Very nice acknowledgement.

  3. Cool Observer permalink
    October 10, 2010 8:48 pm

    Disgusting. If we can’t keep you to exploit you, then we’ll make sure you don’t prosper in your new life. And this cult speaks about the importance of human rights. There’s hypocrisy that annoys you, and hypocricy that makes you want to scream.

    Is this severance pay of $500 standard pay, no matter how long you were in the SO? And why don’t they keep it as an advance on the freeloader debt? The cult obsessively forces anyone to give everything, so why do they pay at all if they believe they’re entitled to it – and more?

    • Sinar permalink
      October 11, 2010 4:25 pm

      Jeff was in the SO for over 30 years and over 20 for myself. We both received $500 “severance pay” not sure what the standard is, not a 401K.

      The freeloader’s debt is a total arbitrary and another form of leverage and control of those out, whether blown or “routed out”. Some Exs have paid tens of thousands. Others have been approached by Tommy Davis & wife, Kirsten Caetano, Hansueli Stahli, Marian Pouw and Mike Sutter who were directly run by Chairman of Buildings in order to silence and get various Exs to toe the line by the enticement of reducing their debts greatly or down to nothing.

      In most cases it boils down to the point of having communication with family still in which is the biggest leverage Mestology has and has worked to get various Gabrielle Llwellyn, Amy Allen, Yael, Pablo, Neel and others back under control in different continents. Thus the Pope of Scientology has more powers and uses more lawyers and PIs over it’s fold than the actual Pope at the Vatican, uncertain on the comparative sizes of their well stocked coffers.

      • Cool Observer permalink
        October 11, 2010 6:40 pm

        Thanks for the reply. I know what the freeloader debt is, and what it’s used for. I’m also aware that it’s completely out of line, as the promise was free courses for working your butt off almost 24/7. So payment was already given.

        I was just wondering why they pay the severa nce pay at all. They chae every dollar with compulsive obsession, and I’m sure they feel pure hatred towards those wishing to reclaim their lives. They would have a perfect excuse to keep those $500, and isn’t it so that money always must flow upwards, unless it’s really necessary to pay? Like avoiding a lawsuit etc. This is what I don;t understand.

      • Pete Sagi permalink
        October 13, 2010 9:36 pm

        It’s to allow the ex SeaOgre to have the means to leave the area so as not to create bad PR. How would it look to have a penniless ex SeaOgre panhandling in Hemet to make food or bus fare? If they are paying $500 it is only because it somehow benefits THEM.


      • lunamoth permalink
        October 13, 2010 10:49 pm


        Whether or not that was the original intent, your answer is the best one I’ve ever heard. By that I mean it fits with the other current policies regarding treatment of SO members.

      • Jeff permalink*
        October 13, 2010 11:06 pm

        I believe the only reason they give the Ex-SO member any money at all is because they are required to sign a bunch of gag orders and waivers prior to leaving, and if they don’t pay them anything, then there is no “quid pro quo” for signing all these documents. A “legal” point, although it does not make these waivers and gag orders legal by any means. If they thought they could get away with paying the SO Member nothing, they would do it. They don’t care if these people end up homeless or on the street. In fact, they would prefer it if these people who are leaving would fail utterly. It would “prove” that they are “failures” and that “anyone leaving the SO fails in life,” which is the PR line they push on current SO Members. The SO does everything it can, frankly, to try to make ex-members fail. But of course – THEY are the ones who fail – everyone I know who has left the SO is doing very well.

      • lunamoth permalink
        October 13, 2010 11:52 pm


        It’s pretty clear to any one paying attention that if a person can survive in the Sea Org, they can certainly prosper in the outside world. The exact opposite of the
        what members are taught.

        I do NOT subscribe to the idea that the S.O. makes you tougher, stronger or
        better in anyway. You don’t make people better by treating them like garbage.

      • Karen#1 permalink
        October 14, 2010 3:49 am

        Sinar ~~

        Re Jeff’s wording “Come back and route out standardly”

        WHY am I reminded of the VERSE:

        “Will you walk into my Parlor said the Spider to the Fly ?………..”

      • Cool Observer permalink
        October 14, 2010 8:32 am

        Thank you all for the input.

      • Sinar permalink
        October 14, 2010 7:30 pm


        I totally agree, the $500 will not even buy you a gold watch (perhaps a knock off) for the 30 plus years of service.


        I am guilty as charged accepting to come back and route out twice – in ’91 and ’92 before the final in 2001. The third time was a charm and followed Jeff’s advice.
        St Pete Times covered this pretty thoroughly last year: I’m pretty sure most have seen it.

        My ex wife also covered it in her video interview: She “routed out” 4 times, the fourth being the final.

      • John Doe permalink
        October 16, 2010 6:33 am


        If an ex-SO member gets over the idea that they ARE garbage for leaving, they usually do quite well. Most DO get over the idea, because the larger world seems like a vacation in comparison. It’s a matter of context. That big, bad, ugly out-ethics scary world seems downright kind and loving after suffering various brutalities when in the SO. Just having a weekend seems like an amazing thing.

        @Pete S

        I witnessed that exact scenario you described in 1982 when the first of the Int Stalinistic purges happened. There was a guy recruited for qual at Int, named Bob, who was “extracted (read: ripped-off) from the Boston org. Poor guy looked continuously like a deer in the headlights for the few months that he was there. He was swept up in the offload and just dumped on the streets of LA. I remember seeing him sleeping in the lobby area of Norm’s restaurant a few nights later. Basically, a created homeless guy, by the church. “There for the grace of God, go I”, I remember thinking.

        About a week later, I saw him, happy again. He had signed a contract as NSO staff at LA org and stayed there several years, I believe.

  4. Aeolus permalink
    October 10, 2010 9:30 pm

    Amen! “We will not be silenced”, Jefferson Hawkins, 10-10-10.

  5. Joe Pendleton permalink
    October 11, 2010 12:10 am

    At THIS point anyway, I truly hope the young man does NOT go back at all to “route out”, which of course would take months IF HE’S LUCKY, or most probably years of heavy mind control.

    Jeff – on another subject if I may. I am traveling abroad, don’t always have a mailing address and have to travel light. Nancy, Amy and Mark’s books are all available on amazon kindle e-reader. I’ll be getting my new kindle soon and would love to purchase your book that way. How about making it available on kindle like the others have. Would be greatly appreciated and I think you’d get even more readers (and maybe there are even those who live in a place where they can’t have your book openly – this would make it easy for them to both get and read). Thanks, Joe P

  6. October 11, 2010 12:39 am

    to lunamoth,

    actually we are in act 2, the conflict, we moved from act 1, the intro of all the players involved to now the conflict, act 2. act 2 will be a roller coaster ride, with all it’s ups and downs.

    but we will all be on the edge of our seats lol and act 2 can go on for years and year and years.

    the boys on marty’s blog are gonna make sure of that, it will be very slow and painful for miscavige.

    there is more than 1 plot with lot’s of subplots. & new subplots introduced daily.

    and it’s kinda like a braveheart movie lol. 🙂

    • freespirit permalink
      October 11, 2010 4:06 pm

      Karen, what a story!

      As humourous as it is – it highlights the psychosis in place – where people have to go to EXTRAORDINARY lengths to leave. I routed out, and what Jeff says is true. The ONLY interest in a person routing out is to get the material to black mail them into disappearance and silence. No one was interested in anything else about me – they couldn’t care less. There was no compassion, no kindness. Everything was brutally negotiated. And when you are let go, you are treated the same way as by being delcared. There is NO difference. So its a waste of time.

      Lap dances? Wow, a compilation of highly effective exit strategies from former security guards and personnel would be invaluable to share.

      • Karen#1 permalink
        October 12, 2010 6:00 am

        Freespirit says

        A compilation of highly effective Exit strategies…would be invaluable to share

        A young pretty girl a the Flag Land Base proclaimed her *LOVE* for David Miscavige.
        Then she upped the ante and proclaimed LUST for David Miscavige.
        She blabbed that she had FIXATED ATTENTION and could not get him out of her MIND.

        Now in the normal course of things a CS would regard something like this as somewhat goofy ~~ for standard remedies.

        But she was not regarded as a little ditzy. She was offloaded in 24 hours as ‘Type III. She had no other known outpoints.

        It is unknown whether she did this on PURPOSE to flee.

      • Jeff permalink*
        October 12, 2010 6:19 am

        A compilation of highly effective Exit strategies…would be invaluable to share

        How about:

        You just slip out the back, Jack
        Make a new plan, Stan
        You don’t need to be coy, Roy
        Just listen to me
        Hop on the bus, Gus
        You don’t need to discuss much
        Just drop off the key, Lee
        And get yourself free

        (from Paul Simon)

      • October 12, 2010 6:34 am

        to karen,

        now that is interesting. hmmmm I wonder if they missed a withhold on miscavige?

        maybe he went out 2d with her too? perhaps?

        we all know, when a female likes a guy and they have engaged in some sort of
        out 2d activity, the guy always says, she’s crazy, it never happened lol.

        you know, i was reading about the whole shelly cycle online and it appears from what i read, his own wife got sent away to the rpf, he didn’t unload her, but instead sent her to the rpf after demanding he stop screwing jenny devocht, tom’s wife, so i guess he’s trying to get rid of her too, you know like alain kratazonski, lisa mcpherson’s c/s. have her slowly wither away and die on the rpf, that way she can’t testify against him in court or spill the beans.

        his way to cover his ass. to get out of his marriage but keeping his money and his reputation intact. you know his pr.

        my guess or prediction is he’ll try to bring in a younger girl, more naive, easier to manipulate to hook up with. and if she’s really young, she might want children, so he might even reverse the rules and have kids with her as a way to handle the whole cutting of the 2d line in the sea org. you know to patch up his pr and make everybody else wrong.

        plus that way, he can relate better to his bff tom cruise and they can all double date. lol

        it’s sick and twisted but look at the actions of miscavige and how he has handled the 2d.

      • Karen#1 permalink
        October 13, 2010 4:38 am

        KathyGold :

        I think it is important to only say something on the web that you absolutely know for a fact. Later information can prove your facts wrong and thus credibility is lost.

        I think you are safer when the data has been corroborated from multiple sources, eye witnesses and so on.

        Speculation and rumor lessens the strength of the message.

        There is absolutely no data that DM had out 2d with this lovestruck SO member that got offloaded. He most likely did not know she existed. Therefore to say “he probably had out 2d with her” would only be speculative.

        Also his wife Shelly was never sent to the RPF and even though she was sent off INT base, she was not sent to the RPF. There is no RPF as a program at INT. After the sale of “Happy Valley” RPFers were sent to the Los Angeles RPF (PAC)

        This is not to say that INT BASE Sea Org members do not lead a life of punishment and severe deprivation of their rights, including no ability to come though the guarded gate, no ability to own a cell phone, no permission to have a day off in the outside world, no ability to receive mail that is not previously read by HCO security etc. etc. etc.

      • October 13, 2010 5:56 am

        to Karen,

        Um, have you been reading marty’s blog, he pretty much spelled it out, she was sent to cst, rpf. She’s been there for over 2 years. [Kathy, there’s no RPF at the CST base – JH]

        As for the girl, I’m sure DM knew about it, per the reports I’ve read online, he is a micro manager control freak, so yeah of course he knew. He’s all about himself lol.

        2nd, as for my credibility, this is my opinion, and if I’m wrong, wow, big deal.

        I can have being wrong, but based on my observation, I’m calling it like I see it.

        If he had an out 2-d with her, do you actually think he would tell anyone?

        And as we all know, nobody sec checks him.

        As for speculations and rumors lesson the message, I’m not sending any messages here, I’m just communicating my opinion. You know freedom of speech, my 1st amendment right.

      • Jeff permalink*
        October 13, 2010 6:30 am

        Kathy, you have two things confused, the CST base and the RPF. Two different things, two different locations. The RPF is in LA, at the Complex.

        You are welcome to express your opinions. I doubt Miscavige had anything to do with the LA chick, however. He doesn’t mix with the hoi polloi.

      • October 13, 2010 7:09 am

        to Jeff,

        as for the rpf, per marty, “Shelly Miscavige was similarly handled by Miscavige. She was sent to do years of hard time at the Church of Spiritual Technology fortified compound near Lake Arrowhead, subjected to personal invalidation to the point of apathy and silence.”

        is not hard time the rpf?

        [NOTE from Jeff: No – the RPF is a specific program. Simply working on the “decks” or doing physical labor is not RPF, two different things.]

        as for the la chick, you mean riff raff lol.

        thank you, i appreciate expressing my opinions 🙂

      • lunamoth permalink
        October 13, 2010 8:29 am


        I think you and Paul have it exactly right. You’ve got just the right amount of seriousness attached to it here.

        Aren’t freedom and lightness wonderful things? When you don’t have either it’s so
        hard to imagine ever having them. As a matter of fact, sometimes if you don’t have them you forget that it’s even possible to. Maybe that’s why people still held hostage by the culture of the church don’t make that move to get out; it’s easier to believe things on the outside are only worse than on the inside that it is to believe things on the outside could be better.

      • Sinar permalink
        October 14, 2010 8:18 pm

        Hard time does not translate to RPF. Quite a number of people from RTC got removed from post and put onto “Mest work”. This includes Sanitation engineers (cleaners) and garbage removal etc. The guys in the galley love Dear Leader he has posted more people in the galley than HCO as dishwashers, cleaners etc.

        There is always “deck work” or estates & cleaning functions in all SO facilities including CST at twin peaks. To put someone doing that from a post like Chairman of Buildings Assistant seems to be “hard time” as a comparison and a far cry from the privileges of that post which has a personal chef, assistants, stewards, cleaners and laundress providing for what she cares for. The facility is in isolated enough so that it’s hard to blow or make contact with others as in the Pac RPF as Shelly knows about a lot of skeletons in the closet.

        As a note, the fences at CST also has Ultra barrier supposedly for Bears.

      • October 15, 2010 12:56 am

        to Sinar: so what does shelly do all day long at CST? mest work? for over 2 years?

        i’m curious cause this is weird. in the real world, this kind of stuff doesn’t happen. you would think she would apply simon bolivar, you know come out of exile, cause that’s where she’s at.

        i think it’s only fair play that we can sit and talk about him on his 2d cause well, that’s what he’s been doing for years to everybody else lol. imo 🙂

      • Sinar permalink
        October 15, 2010 9:37 pm

        Good questions for a 20 year 2D relationship and assistant for perhaps 15 years at ASI and RTC. Shelly and I were in the RPF together during the False List 1 debacle and were friends. My birthday occurred several days after we were unconditionally reprieved and she baked me a chocolate cake which was a totally delightful surprise and memorable.

  7. Karen#1 permalink
    October 11, 2010 2:41 am

    Daniel Montalvo is so much more important than he knows, bless his heart.
    He has triggered a DOMINO effect or chain reaction of awareness from different camps of all those outside the Church that want the ABUSE, BRUTALITY, and OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT to end.
    The fact that DM’s cult gets “religious” privileges, 501 C3 tax exemption, “ministerial exception” from a judge makes it all the more abhorrent that they carry on like this.

    While this story electrifies the Internet and is going viral, and folk shake their head in disbelief, I would like to tell a story of another blow that make make some laugh in these troubled times.

    A Security Guard worked at the Management Building on Hollywood Boulevard “HGB” where several hundred Sea Org Members and Office of Special Affairs work.
    He wanted to blow. He wanted out. He did not want to be chased in pursuit to bring him back for months of RPF and Sec Checks. Let’s call him “Michael”.
    Only , he knew the Blow Drill and punishments only too well. After all, he was in HCO.
    So he dreamed up a Caper.
    An extraordinary Caper.
    He knew this would get him offloaded in 24 hours without a Blow Drill to capture him back !

    He went to Strip Club on Hollywood Boulevard where they do lap dances etc. in FULL SEA ORG UNIFORM and then went back to post in Security and blabbed about it

    Guess what ?
    They offloaded him in 24 hours. He became a non person.

    DM’s Taliban Scientology did EXACTLY what Michael wanted. They let him FLEE


    • lunamoth permalink
      October 11, 2010 3:43 am

      What a creative solution. I cannot believe this prudery on the part of the church (which we now know is an attempt to deflect any outside attention from the 2D area) hasn’t been exploited more often.

    • Tony DePhillips permalink
      October 11, 2010 5:11 am

      That is hillarious Karen!! Now that is creative thinking!!

      Another example of the illogic and arbitrary nature of the cult of cabbage.


    • October 11, 2010 5:49 am

      to karen,

      when i was at bridge, i decided to leave cause i wasn’t getting paid, it’s a corporation and
      i routed in with debts. i could do that, per gavin potter cause at bridge, back then
      they were paying you an hourly rate. i also lived off base, had an apartment that I shared
      with 3 other girls and i paid for my own food. we were called the “bridge babes” lol.

      actually i coined the phrase. that’s a whole nother story lol.

      but they didn’t pay me, my money that was owed and i had rent to pay, bills etc. so i decided to leave.

      they sent wdc pubs, phil anderson down to handle me, cause i guess to them it was a case
      thing not that they weren’t paying me. of course that had nothing to do with it lol.

      so, the solution was that i go on the bso post, to make commissions to handle the money issues.

      so i did, this is when the new oec vols came out, i had no public as the bso of bridge,
      so i had to figure it out. i grabbed my teammates and we high tailed it over to the hgb
      building and went floor by floor selling oec vol 0 to sea org members.

      i broke all stats for that post, and david bloomberg came to see me personally to shake my hand, my stats were over the whole eastern united state cont.

      wow, that didn’t pay my rent. they didn’t give me my book commissions either.
      and to top it off, i’m now in gi meetings.

      so, i was owed money and book commissions, & they refused to pay me.

      so i said, this isn’t working and decided to leave.

      but instead of doing my thing standardly, they shipped me off to the warehouse
      and had me wait a month or two, i got tired of waiting so i went to see a movie.
      T2 at the cinerama dome.

      when i got back, i was told by nick christensen, you blew!, i laughed, i said, dude i came
      back, relax, i went to a movie, then he laughed and asked me how the movie was.

      after that, the cycle was put on a rush lol.

      i got my sec check right away, and routed out.

      then they paid me, my back wages and my book commissions.

      yes, games are aberrated but this, this was suppressive not to mention insane.

    • Joe Pendleton permalink
      October 11, 2010 6:05 am

      That’s a funny story Karen. I don’t even think he was offloaded so quickly for any 2D/morality reason either. I think it’s just that by going to the strip club in full uniform, he acted SO far our of accepted reality, that they couldn’t “trust” or predict “sane” behavoir on the RPF. This happens with suicide attempts (I know someone who did this on the RPF). Boom boom – you’re out. Just act “too crazy.” I’m sure if an RPF member took his clothes off on LRH Way and/or just started throwing food all around the mess hall each meal, you’d also see a quick exit. That’s what’s called “strategic use of the ARC Triangle.”

    • October 11, 2010 6:23 am

      That is awesome! AND he gets a lap-dance? Bonus!

    • Lise permalink
      October 11, 2010 7:47 am

      LOL…That is the funniest and best thing I have heard for ages. Good on ya “Michael” your style. Thanks for sharing Karen it sure made my day.

    • Paris in May permalink
      October 11, 2010 10:35 am

      Ha ha! This guy must have already mentally left to come up with such a solution. Brilliant!

    • Fidelio permalink
      October 11, 2010 10:50 am

      OMFG, Karen, what a COOL Kid, a table dance in FULL SEA ORG REGALIA. Boy can I picture that, oh Boy, HOW I can……while ROTFLMAO.
      It took me now 5 minutes to write that response..LOL LOL LOL

      What a SMART kid!! Please, tell him my dearest regards this was PRICELESS.

      And to you: thank YOU!

      • Fidelio permalink
        October 11, 2010 10:53 am

        …sorry…so sorry… lap dance of course…LOL LOL LOL
        enhances the picture considerably….


    • John Doe permalink
      October 11, 2010 7:55 pm

      What was the name of the strip club, The Briar Patch? LOL!

      • lunamoth permalink
        October 12, 2010 12:15 am

        My god, John Doe, you are funny.

    • DeepThroat permalink
      October 13, 2010 3:23 am

      The funny thing is that going to a strip club is not illegal. A lap dance is not illegal. Wow, talk about an over-reaction. I suppose it was a little “out PR” since he was wearing a Sea Orge uniform, but routed out within 24 hours? Really??

      When I was in the Sea Org, we had a guy come over from Italy to train on the computers. On a Saturday night he ventured down Hollywood Boulevard and went into a porno “video arcade”. However, he got caught with his pants down (literally). He got arrested by the Hollywood police for “lewd conduct” or something like that. He was on a plane back to Italy within 24 hours.

  8. Sam permalink
    October 11, 2010 8:35 am

    “We will not be silenced” that is DM’s greatest fear.

  9. October 11, 2010 10:49 am

    There is a main difference between CoS and other cults:

    In a “normal” cult you will usually see members leaving in silence and then after some time the sheriff shows up arresting the peculiar leader.

    The fact that the independents are communicating so much on blogs and forums says a lot about what this means to people, I think. The former members of CoS actually has a chance to turn this thing around and make Miscavige a loser.

    Scientology is what makes the difference.

  10. Bert permalink
    October 11, 2010 4:23 pm

    Screw the mind control cult! I’m willing to provide food and shelter to anyone fleeing Scientology for as long as they need it.

    “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free…”

  11. Athena8 permalink
    October 11, 2010 6:12 pm

    Since this article refers to Sea Org personnel, I would like to add a piece of advice to non-SO Scientologists. When you come to the self-realization of what is truly going on under David Miscavige, do not subject yourself to any Ethics “handlings.” WALK!! There is a beautiful world out there awaiting you. On the day I stepped “out of the bubble,” I initially expected to merely be entering the “Wog World” and found myself quite happy to do so. At that point, I had not even heard the word “Freezone.” Having recently been labeled myself as a “Disaffected OT,” I was actually clueless what that term implied. It seems I had inadvertently exposed myself as not being fully behind “Command Intention.” But I finally felt free to hit the internet where I started recognizing the names of old friends. I then made new Independent Scientologist friends – all truer than any friendships you will ever be able to maintain within the framework of the Demented Mangling of the Church.

    • Karen#1 permalink
      October 12, 2010 1:21 am


      In the Church for 47 years…Class VIII for decades, thanks for STEPPING right out and onto the Internet.

      I am looking forward to your stories !

      Also, I commend you and your husband for being willing to give Safe Harbor to someone newly departing……

      Welcome Athena8. Warm welcome.

  12. John Doe permalink
    October 11, 2010 7:49 pm

    I “routed out standardly” in the 1980s when I left the SO. I did it from the RPF in PAC. It took over two months, and mostly that was waiting for someone who could give me a sec check. It was a simple leaving staff sec check. I don’t recall having to sign an affidavit of my “crimes”, although I know that practice was well established at that time.

    There was no measly $500.00 severance pay at that time.

    Thus it was with some horror that I read the current procedure as I first encountered it detailed in Counterfeit Dreams.

    It only makes sense to blow now, particularly if you are at Int, where you get declared whether you blow or route out.

    • Karen#1 permalink
      October 12, 2010 12:17 am

      Dear John,

      A Sea Org Member cannot “route out” at INT BASE.

      The penalties for ASKING to route out are too gruesome. There is no such thing as ROUTE OUT. They are LOCKDOWN with no ability to leave.

      It is true that threatening SUICIDE will get you offloaded. However INT BASE staff are not permitted to read the Internet or have cell phones or have any contact with the outside world.

      One of the most poignant stories is Maureen Bolstad and what happened to her (3 years more imprisonment at Old Gilman House…the prison building at INT Base. Have you seen it ?

      • earthmother permalink
        October 12, 2010 2:56 pm

        Just curious, is Maureen related to Darren Bolstad @ CCInt?

      • John Doe permalink
        October 12, 2010 3:52 pm

        I lived at the OGH for a number of years, before it was a gulag. Actually, I liked the place when I was there, as ramshackle as it was. Lots of good people lived there.

        I liked the fact that it was somewhat removed and away from the main part of the property. You could get a few extra minutes of sleep if someone was going to come wake you up in the middle of the night! I guess this remote aspect was noted, when deciding where to keep the pariahs and heretics…can’t have those sub-humans to close to the upstats…

      • Sinar permalink
        October 14, 2010 9:29 pm

        She was married to Bruce Bolstad who was engineer at Gold for a number of years and went to CST, brother to Gordon at Int Finance and Arthur at CST in twin peaks. Maureen’s maiden name is Smith. Not sure if the guy at CC Int is part of that family.

      • Sinar permalink
        October 14, 2010 9:39 pm

        Yeah, I lived at OGH second floor for a while and my next room neighbor was Mike Sutter in the late 80’s. It was converted to the HGC for a while and Pat Bromley at the time delivered the 1/2 Superpower RD to me at OGH, till she got busted off of all auditing delivery lines.

        Then again, I’ve lived in most of the areas and have a frequent mover card :). Villas, Lodges, 200’s, OGH, Ranchos, Greenskeepers, 119 house, M&M, Sublette, Quandt Ranch, Kirby, Happy Valley and Hillside.

    • lunamoth permalink
      October 12, 2010 12:32 am

      J0hn Doe said “It only makes sense to blow now, particularly if you are at Int, where you get declared whether you blow or route out.”

      Absolutely! And the same can be said for non-SO, non-staff scientologists. Just get the hell out of there!

      I would just love to see that word, “blow,” go out of use in outside the church. I have continued to use it, myself, but when I see it used to describe the courageous, self-determined act of the likes of Daniel Montalvo, it makes me realize that the word really should be dropped fr0m our v0cabulary; it serves the purposes of the suppressor and not of the individual trying to be free.

      What dm and the c of s call a “blow” is really just leaving on one’s own determinism.

      The term “blow” implies that the individual is not entitled to leave, that some other authorization is required and that obedience to that authority is due and deserved. We know this is not the case. We may have agreed with that at some point in the past, but lets say it out loud now that we have changed our minds. I don’t think any one of us would argue that the church or any of its agents has the moral altitude or even the right to keep us once we have decided to leave.

      When a person has the sudden or not-sot-sudden realization that there is no way to make their present situation work to the benefit of the dynamics, or that in order to simply continue to survive on their first or first and second dynamics they have to get out, then they have not only the right to leave but the responsiblity to do so.

      Leaving under current conditions is in fact a virtuous act. To me “blow” is a derogatory scientology term on par with “wog.” It’ a tool of the church’s propaganda. I would love to see it die the death it deserves.

      • Fidelio permalink
        October 12, 2010 9:00 am


        you are so right!! Docility and unconditional obedience is crammed into the SCN mind on every gradient thinkable and with every specific SCN nomenclature possible. It is creepy.


      • John Doe permalink
        October 12, 2010 3:44 pm

        Well said. The word definitely has those negative associations. I don’t know how rapidly it will go out of use though. It’s a pretty well established bit of scientologese. But you’re right, it does put one into the mindset of thinking you can’t leave something oppressive until you’re “authorized”.

        A Berlin wall of the mind…

      • Fidelio permalink
        October 12, 2010 5:14 pm

        Yeah, John Doe, in order to destroy this type of nomenclature it might be very effective to ridicule it as utterly as possible by all means. That will take the derogatory edge off and take the mind wall down.

  13. earthmother permalink
    October 12, 2010 3:03 pm

    I’m saying it loud, I’m saying it proud, I LEFT BECAUSE I CHANGED MY MIND!!

    Luna, I never liked the terms ‘wog’ or ‘blow’ either. ;o)

    • lunamoth permalink
      October 12, 2010 5:07 pm

      Fidelio~ Earthmother ~John Doe

      What’s amazing to me is that a year after leaving the “church,” I am still scraping this stuff
      ( language steeped in cult-think) off the bottom of my shoes.

      It’s going to take being a little less lazy on my own part to edit this word from my vocabulary. I’ll be embarrassed now if I slip and use it myself : ). But it’s important. And instead of falling back on the use of that old term, a word that implies that people fleeing for their lives are criminal for doing so, let’s say what we mean to say; what we mean to say is that they ESCAPED.

      They BROKE FREE.



      They stopped taking that crap. They changed their minds. They re-evaluated the situation and made a major life-change.

      They quit their day jobs.

      They took back their self-determinism and re-evaluated their loyaties.

      They took back the control of their bodies, their time, and their actions.

      They woke up. They came-to. They shook off the bonds of suppression, they broke the shackless, they got out from under the crushing boot of oppression. They got the hell out of there.

      They stopped supporting the criminality, insanity and a war on the rights of man waged by
      the c of s.

      They remembered who and what they are in the deepest spiritual sense.

      • Fidelio permalink
        October 12, 2010 5:23 pm

        Wow – what a richness to describe what happens when TRUTH comes into play!
        This is a huge treasure! Fidelio

      • tunedal permalink
        October 12, 2010 5:41 pm

        I love those new terms.

        Leaving because of harmful acts, well yes. I believe that many do leave because they no longer want to fuck up their lives by being on staff. When you collapse the dynamics by harmful acts (coerced abortions, bad nutrition, sleep deprivation, poverty, enforced divorce etc) there may come a point when you say “No More!” and then you try to get yourself to another place, a place where you actually have a chance to rebuild your life, your WHOLE life.

      • Cool Observer permalink
        October 12, 2010 7:38 pm

        To blow is not as bad, actually it fits the situation (and the desire result) perfectly: Let’s blow this joint!

        It’s officially part of the English language. No embarrassment necesary. There’s more than enough Scientologese that creeps exes out.

      • lunamoth permalink
        October 12, 2010 8:34 pm

        Yes, Cool Observer, it is definitely something to shoot for, that the word “blow” comes
        to mean to everyone leaving something on a whim, or entirely on one’s own determinism. We’ll get back to that one day.

  14. tunedal permalink
    October 13, 2010 9:36 am

    Hi Lunamoth:

    “What’s amazing to me is that a year after leaving the “church,” I am still scraping this stuff
    ( language steeped in cult-think) off the bottom of my shoes.”

    I think I am starting to understand what some of the long time Sea Org members go through these days. I was in the SO just for a few years and this was in the the beginning of the 80:ies so things were not that bad then.

    I always thought that “blow” was a very good word and I still think so, but now I realize how this word has been used to control and introvert staff.

    • Sinar permalink
      October 14, 2010 9:54 pm


      Even LRH wrote: “There is no intention of holding on to people who do not want to be where they are.” in the HCO PL Leaving and Leaves:

      Dear Leader doesn’t have the same viewpoint and obviously does not follow LRH Policy. In ’78 and ’82 there were a couple of times of “open back door” where if one wanted to leave the base (WHQ and Int Base) you could do so – pack your bags, get a sec check and leave within 24 hours with no recriminations – declare or freeloader debt.

  15. SirArthurConanDoyle permalink
    October 13, 2010 5:31 pm

    I blew from the int base after having lived in the sea org all my life, I was practically born in the church and that was all I knew – it was so bad at the int base that even someone who had known nothing else – knew something was dreadfully wrong.
    I am blown as we speak
    I was smart when I blew – I was not found right away and I was very fortunate.

    I think the SO is an aberration. It’s only purpose is to enrich its very corrupt “religous leader”
    David Miscavige is a criminal of the worst kind – someone who deceives and enslaves people and then tortures them for a lifetime and when they leave further torments them. He is a bully, a sadist, a thief and many more more colorful descriptions.

    • lunamoth permalink
      October 13, 2010 7:13 pm

      SirArthurConanDoyle ( hi, I’m a big fan, btw : )

      I think leaving the Sea Org and the church in the context you did, a lifetime inside and knowing no other life, puts you into a very special category of courageous. I have great admiration for you that
      you were able to do that. And I would say from all other reports I’ve heard over the past year or so that you are exactly correct in your description of person in charge of that mess.

    • Sinar permalink
      October 14, 2010 9:59 pm

      Hi ACD,

      Then I probably know you. Did the same in April 2001. My email is if you know me and wish to talk.

  16. Idle Org permalink
    October 14, 2010 1:44 am

    I’d like DM to take the Route To Infinity off a high ledge someplace.

    How is it that he’s still in power, for crying out loud?

    Maybe he should co-star in Mission Impossible 4.

    That oughtta wipe him out, once and for all.

    • lunamoth permalink
      October 14, 2010 2:57 am

      Best use of “Route To Infinity” I ever heard. LOL

    • Cool Observer permalink
      October 14, 2010 9:05 am

      There seems to be something wrong with this country. Scientology has been criticized, raided, excoriated in court, and a mere 15 years after Operation Snow White and Operation Freakout this tiny organisation was able to conduct a truly epic harrassment campaign against the IRS. They did it in broad daylight. In the end Miscavige secured a better tax deal than the established religions enjoy. Nobody believes that “the cult of greed” is a charitable non-profit group, but noting happens to do anything against it.
      It appears that if you have endless funds and are unscrupulous enough to exploit the American judicial system, the US constitution and the laws of the land do not apply to you. It’s extremely unlikely that Miscavige will spend any time in jail, he will be tipped off before an arrest can be made and will spend the rest of his life in a country that doesn’t extradite. All the money will be gone, since he’s the only one with access to it. Life ain’t fair. Get used to it. 😦

      • brendon permalink
        October 15, 2010 1:21 am

        Brilliant. And correct. At the end of the day it comes down to money.

        Revoking their tax exemption would be harder to accomplish than what they did to get it. The reason is the opposition doesn’t have the money to invest in it like the COS did.

        I do allow, however, for the possibility of the government taking notice and doing something about it.

  17. lunamoth permalink
    October 16, 2010 2:05 am


    Don’t know if you’ve had a chance to listen to Mike Rinder’s radio interview ( Mike did a great job
    of simplifying and clarifying the important issues in a 30-minute format show, and he give you kudos for your keen insightf, your great blog and specifically your “Thought-stopping” post. All very well deserved, btw. I was happy to hear you so credited. I know I’m certainly a fan. : )



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