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Walking Like a Duck

August 23, 2010

The famous “duck test,” attributed to “Hoosier Poet” James Whitcomb Riley (1849-1916), goes something like this: “When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”

The Church of Scientology likes to style itself as a “religion.” But does it walk and talk like a religion?

Over the last year, revelations by former insiders indicate that Scientology is acting like anything but a religion. But lately, it’s not just former staff who are revealing some very un-religious behavior, it’s the Church itself. They are so busy denying everything that they perhaps haven’t noticed what they’ve admitted to.

Case in point: when former RTC insider John Brousseau blew the Int Base, he took with him his own personal photographs, taken with his own camera, of David Miscavige’s private gym, his personal tanning table, and his custom motorcycle. So Church minion Warren McShane swore out a complaint to the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office. The Church is now denying that McShane ever made such a complaint (despite it being public record). And no wonder. Here are some of the gems.

The complaint stated that photos of Tom Cruise’s and David Miscavige’s lavish custom motorcycles were “proprietary in nature related to the internal operations and projects of the Church of Scientology.” So making custom motorcycles for the Church leader and for its biggest contributor is a Church project? Really? And that is a religious project because…?

The complaint goes on: “JB’s internet computer was different from other employees, in that it did not have any filters and JB could search the internet without restrictions.” Ah. So other employees of the Church cannot search the internet without restriction and have filters on them. Sounds very religious to me.

And this: “His ability to come and go from the facility is in contrast to other church members/employees, who do not enjoy the same freedom of movement.” Which is a nice way, I guess, of saying that they are on lockdown and cannot leave the Base without permission or come and go as they please. Sure, religions lock people up all the time.

And there’s more: “Mr. McShane told me RTC had previously contracted with a private security firm in the State of Texas, to monitor Mr. Rathbun’s activities.” Sure, using parishioner donations to hire private detectives to follow errant members. Very religious.

And here’s the famous “blow drill” verified:  “Mr. McShane summoned (4) church members/employees who know JB the best and sent them to Texas to attempt to contact him and perhaps persuade him to return to the facility in Hemet, CA.”

Then there was the so-called  legal “victory” in the Headley case, well summarized in this article

The article notes that “the alleged abuses themselves, which the church once tried to hide, have again become a matter of public record.”

“Most organizations would consider the practices themselves to be a failure, and they would take steps to persuade the world that real change was taking place to prevent further abuses. For Scientology, winning the right to continue these behaviors is considered ‘victory.’”

“Other practices that made it into court records include:

  • Sleep and food deprivation of Sea Org employees;
  • Heavy and demeaning manual labor as punishment;
  • Screening and censorship of employee communications;
  • Threats of job loss for those who refuse abortions;
  • Physical and procedural restrictions on the ability of Sea Org employees to leave;
  • Church-enforced “Disconnection” (utter rejection) of former Sea Org employees by their families; and
  • Harsh discipline against Sea Org employees who voice a desire to leave.”

And let’s not forget the Church rebuttal to the first of the Saint Petersburg Times exposés.

The article notes that “Davis said his own internal investigation found that Rathbun attacked 22 Sea Org members in the years before he left the church — 50 instances in all.

“The violence played out at the church “base” outside Los Angeles in 2003 and 2004, the church says….Back at the base, the church said, Rathbun instituted a ‘reign of terror.’”

So while denying that Miscavige ever beat anyone (despite dozens of eyewitnesses coming forward), they do admit that the Church tolerates an environment of physical abuse.

So its not just detractors accusing the Church of bad behavior. In a desperate attempt to stem the tide of truth, Church spokespeople are losing track of who has told what lies, and are starting to inadvertently admit the truth about what goes on.

So let’s summarize. Have you ever heard of  a religion that:

  • Physically and emotionally abuses its staff?
  • Imprisons staff  in re-education camps?
  • Uses heavy and demeaning manual labor as punishment?
  • Uses parishioner donations to support the leader’s lavish lifestyle?
  • Enforces abortions and divorces on its staff?
  • Screens and censors employee communications?
  • Deprives its staff of food and sleep?
  • Restricts the freedom of movement of staff, and chases after them if they leave?
  • Spies on whistleblowing ex-members with private investigators hired with Church funds?
  • Disconnects families?

Does that sound like a religion?

Or does that sound like a cult?

“If it walks like a duck…”

  1. Karen#1 permalink
    August 23, 2010 5:50 am

    Jeff, another great articulate Tell-it-like-is textbook masterpiece.

    On a posting on Marty’s blog I mentioned some Sea Org veterans who had to use Hemet Sherriff’s department to actually flee the place….Andre Tabayoyon (google his name), Jeff Walker, (Senior CS INT) Jesse Prince, former D/IG RTC, Marc Headley author of “Blown for Good” and so on.

    It is unthinkable that veteran staff leaving, need an escort from LAW ENFORCEMENT to leave a Church. This has not gone un-noticed by Riverside Country Sherriffs and other agencies.

    Who exits a Church with a Police escort ??????

    Here’s a recent Email excerpt where LAPD has to do the rescue ~~ (25 year veteran fleeing)
    As we stepped outside, I saw a pay phone. I immediately jumped at it, dialed 911. “What is your emergency/” “I am being held against my will by the Church of Scientology. I need police protection immediately. “ The blast of adrenaline literally left my body shaking, and my voice trembling. My Security guard clicked the receiver and cut me off. I told him my security guard to back off, at this point I was being held against my will and this is kidnapping. 911 called me right back. I proceeded to get their help. My Security watch was worried –for himself. He blurted out, “Think what they will do to me if I let you go.” (RPF’s RPF)

    I felt badly for him but I now needed to watch out for myself.

    Within minutes two police cars arrived. I asked if they wouldn’t mind questioning my Guard and delay him so that he doesn’t run off to tell the other security guards. I explained I needed to at least get taken back to the Anthony building to get my things and I would leave. The police were accommodating. I stripped off the shackle of the blue boiler suite and threw it in the trash. Two officers drove me back to the Anthony Building and came in with me.

    When an SO officer attempted to intercept them, I simply told her that this was under control, they were with me. They were let through, I went upstairs, gathered my duffle bag. I believe what they saw shocked and awed them – appalling living conditions in full view. One of the officers commented, “ Can you believe this?” looking at the overcrowded berthing, dilapidated ceiling. My final request to them was to drop me off somewhere down Western Avenue away from the area.

    One of the officers reminded me that they were not in the business of giving out free rides. I reminded him that as long as I was near them, the security guards could come after me and get me back, and I felt that my life was in danger and required police protection. Well, they surprised me. They drove down Western and turned their sirens on behind a taxi cab and pulled it over. When the driver asked them what he did wrong, they told him to give me a ride to wherever I needed to go.

    I thanked the Officers. I headed to the airport. I had my credit card on me. As soon as I got to LAX, I got a one way ticket to New York and took off 20 minutes later On that flight I kept turning around looking for security guards. I made it, I escaped.

    (Her full story coming out soon ~~ Karen)

    LAPD needed to escort someone to safety !!!!!!!!
    Religion indeed.

    • Jeff permalink*
      August 23, 2010 6:05 am

      Exactly, Karen, a church is supposed to be a refuge for the oppressed, not a place to escape from.

  2. Karen#1 permalink
    August 23, 2010 7:00 am


    I am compelled to add that this lockdown at INT BASE where the 400 or so prisoners have no access to any cell phone or pay phone to call the Sherriffs to escape is a David Miscavige creation and speciality.

    DM cannot let them go. He does not know who will say what about his abuse and sadism.
    He doesn’t know who will escape and go to Law Enforcement or to Media or tell family who will then leak it.

    So the viewpoint from outside is ~~
    LOCKDOWN, no entry past the guard gates
    No one even allowed to cross Highway 79 (in case they thumb a ride to flee)
    SO members can only use the underground tunnel.
    No one at INT Base can use a public street, in case they blow.

    On the Flagship Apollo, it was LRH’s order (strictly adhered to) that someone asking to leave was offloaded in 48 hours.

    Once in a blue moon, someone would threaten to go to media to disclose the location of the Apollo and LRH.


    • Just Me permalink
      August 23, 2010 11:16 pm

      Karen and Jeff,

      As I’ve said before, I ga-ron-damn-tee you someone will come out of Int and the RPF’s RPF and the Hole’s Hole with video and audio recordings of what happens — what REALLY happens — inside those torture chambers.

      Because that’s what they are — torture chambers where mental, physical and spiritual abuse is applied to people who are imprisoned by their jailers, their own weakened minds and bodies and their old, dimmed dreams of duty.

      Just Me

  3. Marta permalink
    August 23, 2010 12:41 pm

    Islands of sanity and succor, my duck!

  4. August 23, 2010 1:02 pm

    Each of the abuses the Church has admitted to are all originated, justified and enforced in 100% standard Scientology tech and policy from L Ron Hubbard.

    What they are admitting to are not Miscavige’s squirrel brainchildren. They are the legacy of L Ron Hubbard, bound in the religious scripture of Scientology. That is why the court handed down a summary judgment in the Headley case – these abuses are the religious practice of Scientology, protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

    • Jeff permalink*
      August 23, 2010 4:01 pm

      Allan, you have a point. Most of these (but not all – forced abortions, for instance, is nowhere in Policy) have their roots in Policy or Flag Orders. That said, I worked under both Hubbard and Miscavige, and they were not “the same.” Miscavige has taken Hubbard’s authoritarian structure to draconian extremes.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 24, 2010 2:22 am

        “Miscavige has taken Hubbard’s authoritarian structure to draconian extremes.”

        Miscavige has also “lost” key policies that could have mitigated harsh actions. The
        policy of routing out S.O. members within 48 hours of originating a desire to leave
        was just recently mentioned on Marty’s site.

        No question that policy is a mixed bag of good and bad, the love of mankind and the just pure mean-spirited. And the crazy thing is that in the cult, they are all equal. It’s all the same if it’s policy. No evaluation of merits or potential for harm are allowed.

        LRH was undeniably a man with both good and bad in his character. Dm certainly seems to lean completely in the direction of evil. I guess it doesn’t matter which of the two was responsible if one had you locked in the chain locker, though.

      • August 24, 2010 12:55 pm

        Jeff –

        Instead of seeing L Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige as “the same”, I see them as a matter of cause and effect.

        A Scientologist will internalize, and then act out, the policies and technology of L Ron Hubbard.

        If those writings never told a Scientologists that “SPs” were Fair Game, for instance, and could be “tricked, lied to or destroyed”, then Scientologists would have never acted that way toward them.

        David Miscavige is simply a Scientologist with unchecked power, free to dramatize Hubbard’s teachings to any extent he wishes.

        This is why Scientologists should never be allowed to take over the government, as Hubbard taught them to try to do. Hubbard’s authoritarian onslaught on civil rights and the suppression of the freedom of thought would create an Orwellian nightmare for society – as the German government and many other governments around the world have recognized from Hubbard’s speeches and writings.

        L Ron Hubbard is the Source of Scientology. David Miscavige is probably just as evil as everyone says he is. But, more than anything else, he is a symptom of Hubbard’s teachings. If you want to cure something, don’t just treat the symptoms, go to the Source.

      • R. Hill permalink
        August 24, 2010 2:31 pm

        To me it seems these “draconian extremes” are a natural outcome of Hubbard’s policies: Enforcements in the name of the spirit of Hubbard’s doctrines (squashing dissent, production, etc.) was bound to become more stringent the more information was free to flow out of control of Scientology.

      • Valkov permalink
        August 24, 2010 11:17 pm


        Why do you insist on viewing humanity as incapable of reason? Yes, people often seem like irrational, stimulus-response machines easily prey to propaganda and manipulation. There are whole schools of psychology, like behaviorism, based on that premise.

        Do you really believe that? If so, then you are not exempt and your every word is itself nothing more than the sqeaking of a wind-up doll, your “thinking” nothing more than the swirling of fallen leaves blowing hither and yon carried around by every random breeze that comes along.

        Your entire thesis about cause and effect is false to me. A person does try to ‘think’, to reason. A person is not all a bundle of effects proceeding from antecedent causes. That is a very degrading view, and is the reason your posts get rejected by many people. Your view reduces humanity to a degraded animalistic state, overlooking all of humanity’s higher qualities.

        Do you also claim that Jesus or Christianity are “Source” for witch drownings and witch-burnings, or that Mohammed and the Koran are the “Source” for 9-11 and suicide bombings? Or even that Karl Marx is the “Source” for North Korean GULAGs and brainwashing techniques?

        Do you really believe that those who burned witches ought to be excused from responsibility because they were “only following Source”? Are you an apologist for suicide bombers?

        Try going a church or mosque, present that point of view and see what level of agreement you get. It will be low, because it is basically degrading to the folks you are speaking to/about. It is a view that nullifies, instead instead of empowering.

        Perhaps you believe it yourself. That would be sad to me, to think that you think of yourself as nothing more than a stimulus-response puppet with no potential to perceive or think for yourself.

      • Valkov permalink
        August 26, 2010 8:33 am

        You’re Welcome Allen, and Thank You for the ack.

        I guess you know I worry about you.

    • Valkov permalink
      August 23, 2010 11:14 pm

      Allen, how do you explain, then, Karen’s report that under Hubbard, staff who didn’t want to stay in the Sea Org were offloaded within 48 hours with no ill-will involved, rather than being imprisoned and forced to stay? And others have verified the practice of letting people leave the Sea Org when Hubbard was in charge.

      I feel you are destroying the credibility of any future posts you might make, by posting such obviously untrue assertions.

      Take some wisdom from the story, “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”. That is the position you are putting yourself in. You are poisoning your own well.

      • Cool Observer permalink
        August 24, 2010 7:47 am

        Because Hubbard could afford to do that. He had every reason to believe that every SO member could be replaced, as Scientology wasn’t shrinking yet. Why would he keep disaffected staff if they would probably enturbulate the others still toeing the party line? Miscavige doesn’t have that luxury.

        BTW: Hubbard is not taboo. There are ex-Scientologists who renounce everything and who changed their opinion about LRH completely. Everybody is entitled to his opinion, that’s a freedom you haven’t enjoyed while in Scientology, so you can’t begrudge others to speak their mind. On this blog there are no taboos, that’s why I like it so much. There are real discussions, opinions are challenged, and remember what George Orwell said: Freedom is the right to tell others what they don’t want to hear.

        Nobody disqualifies himself for future posts just because he happens to have a different opinion. There are enough blogs that presume selective perception about LRH and Scientology, but not this site. I sure hope Jeff keeps it that way.

      • Lise permalink
        August 24, 2010 11:05 am

        I personally met a guy called Peter Slabbert who worked with Ron on the boat and he told me that when he told Ron he wanted to leave Ron shook his hand and thanked him for all that he had done to help…He was then dropped off at the next port.

      • Marta permalink
        August 25, 2010 2:00 am

        Cool Observer,

        “Nobody disqualifies himself for future posts just because he happens to have a different opinion. There are enough blogs that presume selective perception about LRH and Scientology, but not this site. I sure hope Jeff keeps it that way.”

        Nicely said and I think there are a lot of folks who, like you and me, feel the same.

      • Cool Observer permalink
        August 25, 2010 9:09 am


        thanks for the acknowlegement. I think everyone entering a discussion with a rigid opinion expecting others to share it should reread Jeff’s article on thought-stopping. It’s not easy to accept a different opinion as an intellectual challenge instead of an attack, after having been indoctrinated for yeas or even decades to avoid ‘entheta’ at all costs, but how can you possibly maintain high ARC with peopele who have been raised to speak their mind freely? This blog helps people gain a perspective on Scientology itself, it allows everyone to challenge everything. For many that’s a strange concept, some will embrace it, others won’t. But the option is there, this is all that matters.

      • August 25, 2010 2:48 pm

        Here’s a great thing about Valkov: He’s an extremely intelligent heretical Scientologist who is truly seeking to live with the truth.

        He recommended a book to me that answered so many questions about my own spiritual path that I will be forever indebted to him.

        The book is called “Beyond Belief, The Secret Gospel of Thomas” by Elaine Pagels, Professor of Religion at Princeton University. This book, more than any other, showed the difference between salvation through knowledge vs salvation through faith, and explained to me why I got into Scientology in the first place.

        It is a fascinating book, and it changed my life.

        Thank you, Valkov.

      • Valkov permalink
        August 26, 2010 8:35 am

        Allen, I misplaced my reply. It is found just above this thread.

    • Valkov permalink
      August 23, 2010 11:24 pm

      GAT is also currently the “religious practice of Scientology”, yet it is 100% squirrel. Here’s a nice little movie that illustrates how Miscavige has squirreled Scientology:

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 24, 2010 2:16 am


        I love this so much I’ve already watched it twice (you goddamn squirrel)!


      • Tony DePhillips permalink
        August 24, 2010 6:18 pm


      • Valkov permalink
        August 25, 2010 6:46 am

        Thanks Lunamoth. I wish I could take creative credit for it, but someone else made it and I found it in a comment on Marty’s blog.

        I think it’s great and I have watched it many times!

    • Valkov permalink
      August 26, 2010 1:36 am

      One last point I’d like to make – Scientology is not basically “a religion”. Miscavige has based a “religion” on Hubbard’s works.

      The current manifestation known as “The Church of Scientology” is only one of many possible practices that could be based on and developed from, the works of LRon Hubbard, just as virtually innumerable practices, sects, cults, churches and temples have come into being based on the works of the Vedas, Buddhist works, the Bible and Christian teachings, the Koran and teachings of Mohammed.

      Many practices, each based on the same basic “scriptures” or set of teachings, and varying widely in their character and effects, from mild and benevolent to dangerous and severe, from wholly emotional to purely intellectual, entire rainbows of practice as varied as humanity itself.

      There is no reason the philosophy Scientology itself shouldnotgive rise to the same kind of diversity of temporal forms.

      In fact, nothing could be healthier than for the monopoly of the CoS be broken so that divergent forms can arise. The best thing from the very beginning would have been for there to have been at least two “Churches of Scientology” on an equal basis to each other.

      And in fact I believe Hubbard’s original plans to have a loosely supervised network of field auditors and Franchises would have provided some of this diversity. I don’t believe he ever intended for Scientology to become the monolith others since have tried to make it be.

      I would take it further, and look forward to a diversity of networks and organizations based on Hubbard’s work.

      Hubbard’s works are not “scripture”. They or some parts of them can become institutionalized as “Scripture” by particular practitioners, but they are not in and of themselves “scripture”. As Hubbard himself said, “I am a human being”. His works are the works of a human being. It is others who might enshrine his works as “scripture”, but for their own purposes, not his.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 26, 2010 8:46 pm


        Wow. Thanks for this brilliant observation. It started a whole afternoon’s worth of
        mental cogitation for me today! Had a very good discussion of this with my husband, too.

        What do you think – at which point did scientology become a religion? I remember clearly that when I first became acquainted with scientology, it definitely was not, and I also remember when staff firt started (many many years ago) saying that the (new) religious connotation was simply for taxation and legal reasons; even they, at that time, didn’t consider it a real religion.

        So, I do agree with you that the philosophy of scientology is NOT in fact a religion, while the current practice of something-resembling-scientology may be, and it’s only one of many possible permutations of possible religious manifestations it could take. Over the years it has morphed into something I don’t recognize and something I want nothing to do with.

        I believe Hubbard is the source of the religion angle. A good case for the subject so qualifying can be made, because it both addresses man as a spiritual being and explains his relationship to the universe. But I also remember Hubbard saying earlier that scientology, though an applied spiritual philosophy, was NOT a religion.

        Does anyone else remember Hubbard making this point, or know where this was said?

        Anyway, thanks for the great post, Valkov!


      • Aeolus permalink
        August 26, 2010 10:03 pm

        Valkov, I think Scientology became a religion in the sense that you’re referring to when Ron issued KSW. That was done deliberately to enshrine the teachings as “scripture”. Granted, it’s become a different religious practice under Miscavige, but it had already come a long way from the “applied philosophy” or “knowing how to know” that it started as.

        Much of what we think of as Scientology is the policy that was implemented on the fly as LRH tried to control a booming organization while under attack from the status quo, and has little if any relevance to spirituality. In my opinion if Ron had continued that plan of networks of field auditors and franchise missions rather than creating the Sea Org, and had continued to accept and acknowledge collaboration on development of the tech, Scientology might be much more powerful today, both as a movement and in its results for individuals.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 26, 2010 11:32 pm

        How convenient! John Nunez just posted this on Marty’s site today (thank you, John):

        “Scientology has opened the gates to a better World. It is not a
        psycho-therapy nor a religion. It is a body of knowledge which, when
        properly used, gives freedom and truth to the individual.”

        LRH, from book The Creation of Human Ability (note this passage was removed in later editions)



      • August 27, 2010 3:07 pm

        LunaMoth –

        I think the LRH reference you seek on the “religion angle” appeared in a letter to his secretary, Helen O’Brien in 1953.

        Here’s the excerpt from LRH’s letter:

        …”I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion, we couldn’t get worse public opinion than we have had or have less customers with what we’ve got to sell. A religious charter would be necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could make it stick. We’re treating the present time beingness, psychotherapy treats the past and the brain. And brother, that’s religion, not mental science.”…

        Here’s the link:

        Happy hunting.

      • Valkov permalink
        August 27, 2010 11:23 pm

        Lunamoth, I don’t really know at what point it became a “religion”. I have never been involved enough with it all to see what happened in any detail. I am slowly listening to early lectures and getting caught up on the development of scientology.

        Broadly, I see 2 issues involved. 1. Scientology applied philosophy, as contained in the books, HCOBs, and lectures. 2. Creation and establishment of temporal organizations for the preservation and delivery of it all. #2 might be further subdivided into issues of “authoritarian” vs. “permissive” structures, etc.

        Now, the orgs did not have to be “religious” in nature, but it makes some sense to call scientology religious in nature, as Buddhism and Vedas are considered “religious” in the West.

        There were apparently arguments either way in the early days, to call it religious or not. Some argued for calling it “scientific” instead.

        Looking back, it may have been better to try to avoid categorization of scientology intoexisting categories, and to have simply insisted that it was “not this, not that”, but an entirely new subject and field that did not fit any known category. Simply to say that scientology was neither religion nor science but was simpy itself, and let scholars opine about it to their heart’s content. This was definitely LRH’s expressed attitude throughout most of his lectures. He said over and over again, that scientology was new and different from anything that had existed before.

        Establishing the orgs as “churches” may or may not have been a good or necessary idea, but clearly the way it all evolved or morphed, has been a disaster.

        I keep going back and re-reading KSW and I can’t really find anything wrong with it. It is clearly intended to get across the idea that, as Ford Motor Company used to say, “Quality is Job 1.”

        I think it was written at a time when LRH had realized that he had grossly over-estimated the ability of the general population to duplicate the tech and apply it “standardly” just as it was intended to be applied.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 28, 2010 4:15 pm

        Allen and Valkov,

        Thank you both for your replies. I did read the full letter from LRH to his secretary.

        Valkov, I had a little realization when readying your response. The question of whether scientology is actually a “science” or a “religion” has been debated, apparently, since the beginning, and rightfully so. It WAS something completely different from what had come before, and the temptation to call it a hybrid of both is strong. But I feel it doesn’t qualify for the status of either science or science/religion hybrid for the simple reason that a science requires constant investigation and the willingness to change one’s mind when newly discovered facts, or old facts newly understood, present themselves. With KSW, that was made impossible.

        With KSW, if scientology ever truly was a science and if dianetics ever truly was a “science of the mind,” they ceased to be, because further research was forbidden. In fact, any legitimate further research became impossible once Hubbard died, since he was enshrined by that issue as the only legitimate source of a “workable technology.” We know now that he was not, in fact, the only source of the tech, but the issuance of KSW spelled the death of any valid claim to being a science that the body of knowledge might have previously had.

        So, yes, I can see the value of KSW in keeping working something that works well enough. But “what’s wrong” with KSW is that it is predicated on a lie. Hubbard was demonstrably NOT the only source of the tech that proved to work. It was NOT soley Hubbard’s research that informed the body of knowledge he called scientology. In fact scientology was doomed to become a dogma rather than a “workable technology” when all possibility of future improvement or research was quashed, as it was by that issue.

        Nothing in the physical universe remains unchanged and survives. The truth that scientology contains is not physical, but the practice of the religion is necessarily of the physical universe. An example would be the “truth” of how to make fire. You can still make a fire the same way we did a million years ago because the tech of how to do, the truth of making fire, has not changed. But we now know that rubbing sticks together and feeding sparks with dry grass is NOT the only way to produce fire, and it’s certainly not the best way.

        What if some early leader, understanding the importance of fire to his people’s survival and seeking to protect the tech of fire-making for all time, had said “This is not a perfect way to make fire, but it’s a workable way, so no future alterations to this method will be allowed. Always do it this way and no other.” His intention may have been to preserve the tech of fire-making for future generations, but he would also have made criminals out of people truly seeking a better way. How could the modern world have come into existence if we had stuck with the tech of rubbing sticks together to make fire? And if he had stumbled upon the first early tech of fire-making himself, did that give him the moral authority to forbid anyone else to try to improve upon it?

        If we are unable to continually change something for the better, to repair and grow it, then the only change that can take place is the inevitable degradation of the subject and its practice. I would argue that a practice MUST change over time, in some ways and to some degree, must be continually created, in order to survive as workable. Not compulsive alteration in practice, but continual research and investigation. Not only would that allow it to be considered a science, that would allow it to grow and that would assure it the ability to survive over time.

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  6. Cool Observer permalink
    August 23, 2010 5:09 pm

    Hubbard was “the Founder” or “the Source”, his authority was never questioned. Miscavige has always known that he was never meant to hold the post of Scientology leader, so he began a reign of terror from the very beginning to protect himself against all those “trying to unmask him.” Miscavige might be even more paranoid than Hubbard was.

    Obviously this has affected the organisation as well, Miscavige has removed every capable person (everyone who might plot against him), the remaining mohikans are crushed spirits and eager underlings too brainwashed to think for themselves. That they behave like fools in times of crisis is no surprise, and it should also be added that all those people have been living in a twisted parallel world, unable to remember how things are done in the real world. They don’t even realize how strange or foolish they appear to non-Scientologists. Gold Base is a “Worker’s Paradise”, remember?

    When Hubbard was still running the show, it was easy to threaten the press and shudder them into silence, back then “Attack the attacker” still worked. Most of the time there was a lot less pressure on Scientology, now the internet has changed everything, the pressure is mounting progressively, is it any wonder that Miscavige (and the organisation run by him) is becoming more extreme? How would Hubbard have acted under similar circumstances?

  7. Michael permalink
    August 23, 2010 5:54 pm

    Sounds like prison.

  8. It's me again permalink
    August 23, 2010 6:11 pm

    “Who exits a Church with a Police escort ??????”

    I think this one line that Karen #1 wrote sums it all up!

  9. August 23, 2010 7:18 pm

    If something looks like sh*t, stinks like sh*t and feels like sh*t, perhaps it IS sh*t.

    Careful analysis, if one wants to do it, will show that it was something edible before.

    For me this sh*t will never again be a food for soul (even if it still has some undigested good raisins in it).

    Just sayin’

    • August 23, 2010 10:29 pm

      VaD…good one! Great analogy. I am feelin’ it. 🙂 I am still workin’ all that out but I like the picture you paint here.

  10. August 23, 2010 10:16 pm

    Outstanding article. This is the sort of writing that will help to end the crimes of Scientology.


  11. August 23, 2010 10:48 pm

    “…..The Church is now denying that McShane ever made such a complaint (despite it being public record)…..”

    Loony tunes.

    They aren’t even TRYING to sort of, maybe kind of tell the truth. Hey, snow is black, sugar is sour, night is day, and….don’t ask because all of those things are true because WE SAID SO, at least and until such time as it is not expedient for said things to be true at which point, THEY AREN’T TRUE BECAUSE WE SAID SO. Any questions? Too bad. We don’t have to discuss such things, we’re the Church of Scientology.

    Yeah, that makes sense to me. I’m sorry Church of Scientology, I had a momentary desire for truth there but you have so thoroughly handled me on that, I think I’ll go lie down now. Let me know when the planet is clear as I am sure it will all make even more sense to me then, whew….keep fightin’ the good fight.

  12. Valkov permalink
    August 23, 2010 11:05 pm

    It is very much like the Democratic Republic of North Korea is now, and like the countries that were held by the Soviet Union behind the “Iron Curtain”. Whole countries were turned in “GULAGs”, which were essentially slave labor camps.

    North Korea pioneered “brainwashing” techniques similar to what are now implemented in the Sea Org and applied to public as well as staff.

    • Cool Observer permalink
      August 25, 2010 5:18 pm

      In 1955 HASI published “A Manual on Brainwashing”, allegedly written by Lavrenty Beria. Surprisingly it contained the word “thinkingness” and mentioned Dianetics. Hubbard’s son L.Ron Hubbard, jr later testified that his father had written it, this was confirmed by Hubbard’s former editor, John Sanborn.

      This manual became part of the investigation of Scientology in the state of Victoria.

      “When somebody enrols, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe – never permit an open-minded approach.” Isn’t that the North-Korean attitude about this state’s ideology? They don’t have to enrol anyone, but the principle is the same.

  13. genesis permalink
    August 24, 2010 1:31 am

    Another excellent article……..thanks Jeff.

    The fat lady is definitely singing on the “last act” of this desperate cult. I can hardy wait!

  14. John Doe permalink
    August 24, 2010 3:52 am

    Back in 1978 at WHQ, if you sent a letter to your parents or ANY letter in the mail, the standard policy was to leave the letter unsealed and send it through security before mailing, so as to make sure nothing was said that might give away operational data, or locations, etc. Or if you were unhappy, then the chaplain could intervene and help. This policy, as I understand it, was a Guardian Office policy.

    We staff agreed to this not just because we had to but because we understood and embraced the purpose to protect LRH and the activities we had going. Even if it was un-American, a violation of privacy, censorship and behavior control, we agreed to it.

    Also, if someone blew, then an attempt was made to get them back. This has always been the case, but certainly not to the degree of the current “blow drill”.

    Also, in my time there, there were at least 2 instances wherein it was announced that if any staff member did not want to be there on staff, they could leave within 24 hours with no ethics penalty and no freeloader debt. This came directly from LRH as he wanted to only work with people that wanted to be there.

    So there has been a whole range of treatment and policies about how much control to exert over staff over the years.

    Sociopath David Miscavage has only taken the absolute worst and amplified it by an order of magnitude. It is appalling to hear about the treatment of staff in the last 15 years or so and appalling what really good, sincere people will put up with it and for how long before they snap.

    In early ’82, Miscavage and his wife did a squirrel fitness board (just them with a pen, a crew list and their opinions) and got rid of a bunch of really good people. He attempted to get rid of me at that time, but I was one of a few that prevailed with a Board of Review. Nevertheless, it was sort of a stain on my self-esteem for a few years. Until I went back and then subsequently blew. I guess I was firing them instead of the other way around. Now, I guess it is kind of a badge of honor, to have been singled out so early in Miscavaige’s coup. No, I’m not some DB who was “Db’ing up the place”, but someone who was perceived to be somehow dangerous to his sordid plans. Funny, I never was on any high post or someone that would be considered a powerful person. I did express my opinions a little too freely, I guess.

  15. Pvblivs permalink
    August 24, 2010 4:52 am

    I note that “religion” and “cult” are not mutually exclusive terms. I note also the dark past of christianity (the inquisition comes to mind) and think that, had those leaders the means, very similar stories would be associated. Ultimately, this is only to say that scientology can be a religion and a cult at the same time.

    • Jeff permalink*
      August 24, 2010 4:39 pm

      I think it’s important to differentiate. Otherwise we get into the realm of fuzzy thinking where systemic abuse is tolerated because it’s “religious practice” (as in the Headley case).

  16. Karen#1 permalink
    August 24, 2010 6:34 am

    John Doe

    Thanks for your great post.
    Valkov thanks for your keen eye and astute observation.

    Yes, LRH did not want to be a staff member to BE there against his will.
    What is the good of imprisoning a body when the mind and spirit have counter intention ?

    I recall a singer who sang with the Apollo musicians. She wanted to go pursue a singing career, I forget her name. I recall well the hug LRH gave her on the Aft Well Deck on her 48 hour departure telling her to reach for the stars, freeloader bill forgiven and he wished her well.

    Ahh the difference between then and now and the savage penalty for asking to leave.
    And the North Korean mind control sec checks to get you to FIND YOUR CRIMES and get you in a more amenable frame of mind….

    Who wants to bet with me that someone is in lockdown on Freewinds against their will (kidnap?) Jeff ?

    • sherrymk permalink
      August 25, 2010 6:50 pm

      I’ll take that bet Karen and raise you one.

      I also well remember when Arthur Hubbard wanted to leave the SO and pursue his art career. He was wished well without the make wrong , insane sec checking, blackmail and extortion that is part and parcel of today’s “church”.

      I also recall numerous others that wrote to Ron asking for their “freeloader” debts to be forgiven. All accepted with “wish you well”s.

      Here’s a Ron story. My own.

      During the late ’70s I was supervising at CCI. The Student Hat. On my desk was a photo of my daughter which I cherished.

      Some CC execs decided that there could not be anything but Ron photos, quotes, etc on anyone’s desk and I was told to remove it.

      My daughter was not in the SO and was not living with me. I treasured that photo being on my desk so decided to write to Ron and ask him if it would be ok to keep it there. I received a beautiful note back thanking me for all the hard work I was doing. He wrote that, by all means, I should keep the photo of my daughter on my desk, requesting of me that, if I heard anything further about it, I should write to him and let him know.

      When I presented the letter to the CC Execs, they were livid. But I kept that photo right there on my desk and never heard another word about it.

      Now I’m aware on the SO1 line there were staff that handled all of Ron’s traffic and probably that letter was never written by him…but at the time, it meant the world to me.

    • R. Hill permalink
      August 25, 2010 9:52 pm

      Karen#1: “What is the good of imprisoning a body when the mind and spirit have counter intention ?”

      The spirit can’t sign the release forms, waivers, et al. The body can.

  17. Karen#1 permalink
    August 24, 2010 6:40 am

    Jeff my dearest,

    Will you allow me to be flippant ? Just this once ?
    I so want to thank MINERVA, the OSA/RTC/Office of COB staffer that creates the hate sites on Sea Org Veterans.

    Minerva thank you so much for publicizing my name. Very Well Done.
    Good job on getting more people to Google my name only to find Marty’s site and write to me.

    Thanks Minerva for increasing my comm lines…..

    Karen de la Carriere is WAR and PEACE
    Karen de la Carriere is WAR and PEACE.
    Karen de la Carriere is WAR and PEACE.
    Karen de la Carriere is WAR and PEACE.

    Keep it up, Keep publishing my name, good job Minerva

    • lunamoth permalink
      August 24, 2010 4:54 pm

      Minerva apparently can see the handwriting on the wall; the c of m is spiraling the drain, making sucking sounds, and she is doing what she can to hurry the process so she can finally get the hell out.

      I don’t blame you, Minerva and I’m behind that kind of contribution all the way! ( I hope nobody “inside” notices that you are scoring touchdowns for the opposing team. That would be SO

      • Marta permalink
        August 25, 2010 2:05 am

        Karen#1 and Lunamoth,

        Ladies you just slay me. Such flippant sassiness. What say, Soul Sisters?

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 25, 2010 4:36 am


        Well, Karen is flippantly sassy. I’m just being bad. You probably shouldn’t encourage me. : )

  18. Just Me permalink
    August 24, 2010 2:28 pm

    I just typed “cult” into Google and searched.

    The first two results are Wikipedia pages.

    The third result (above the fold) is

    Pretty much says it all.

  19. Mat Pesch permalink
    August 25, 2010 1:23 am

    The problem with long term members inside the cult is that they don’t see the day to day insanity of their world as being insane. They have so lost sight of what is considered acceptable by the rest of the world that they don’t even know what to say when they lie.

    The “leaders” of Scientology provide sworn affidavits of how they have witnesses for years specific, violent attacks within the “church” they supposedly control.

    Warren McShane describes the Int base as a Nazi prison camp to the police without a thought.

    The church sends its “ex-wifes” and a couple wild eyed, psycotic looking “execs” to CNN to put on a show that was so insane that it seemed surreal.

    Miscavige proudly put out an 80 page Freedom magazine that drove public and parishioners away.

    I could go on and on with examples but you get the point.

    I guess you could say that the insanity “speaks for itself “. Let’s keep them communicating publicly.

    • lunamoth permalink
      August 25, 2010 4:34 am


      You are absolutely right – those things are the perfect examples of true insanity. Not chemically induced, not genetic, but completely created, “caught” if you will, with some degree of willingness and agreement on the part of the afflicted.

      I am waiting to hear the story of one of those individuals you mentioned, after they have come back to the real world. I am at a complete loss for how someone can lose himself so completely that they can do what the ex-wives did, what Norm Starkey did, what Tommy Davis does every time, and having to ignore such cruelty and criminality to do it.

      I’m assuming they can come back, but I don’t know. Do they still have that little voice in their head, telling them that something is very wrong, that they shouldn’t be doing this? Or has that voice finally been extinguished, and is that the way dm knows who to send on these errands?

      I’d sure like to know. Maybe I’m making them more different than they really are from others who have come to their senses and just left. But these remaining few seem different to me. There’s a willingness to do evil even after they have realized it’s evil, that I don’t see in others. Again, I don’t know. I’m only seeing such a small part of what’s going on and who they are. But I’d sure like to understand this.

      • Kingair350 permalink
        August 27, 2010 1:07 am

        The closest I’ve gotten to understanding the phenomena you’ve described, is by reading Jeff’s blog on the points of a sociopath.

        It is as if their soul was deformed beyond repair or recovery – like Orcs, once proud and wise elves but then horribly changed into a beingness that seeks out cruelty and debasement. And they never recover, at least back to a state any of us would recognize.

        As Jeff pointed out, the term SP has become a political label. Sociopath is far more accurate I’m it’s description and one I use with great success every day.

        I’d certainly be interested in further thoughts on the subject as it’s a life saving topic.

        That’s been my observation from knowing and auditing a few over the last 44 years.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 27, 2010 5:26 am

        God, I’m such a nerd. I LOVED the Orcs reference.
        Thanks, Kingair350.

        (I want to live in Rivendell).

      • Grateful permalink
        August 27, 2010 4:13 pm

        There is something that helped me see things more clearly before I knew about any of the blogs and that is a little book called Personal, Career, and Financial Security by Richard Maybury. The first few sections are about models (paradigms) and cognitive dissonance. And many other things that we have discussed on this blog, like certainty stops inquiry and more. The sentence that I have highlighted in my book that was the most telling for me was this: “When you see good people being harmed, question the underlying model.” And I did.

    • Doc "Smith" permalink
      August 25, 2010 4:36 am

      You’re right Mat, we’re not really talking foot bullets anymore, more like laying a mine field around themselves and then walking aroud blowing themselves up.

      • Mickey permalink
        August 26, 2010 11:57 am

        lunamoth…. “But I’d sure like to understand this.”

        Based on my own “personal hell” I went through to “come to my senses” and disengage my mind and thoughts from the unkind machine the church has become, I believe the only understanding is indeed a personal one. I believe that individually each has their own personal and unique tolerance level for pain, be it physical or psychological. The latter is more the category that ultimately must become tapped out before saying to oneself (usually in a dark, but quiet moment) something along the lines of, “There’s got to be a better or another way”. Until one has THAT particular conversation with oneself (not with any auditor, ethics officer, friend or foe), their course of action will maintain the status quo.

        So, I think the tolerance level of pain and discomfort for those each individually, just hasn’t been reached yet for each separate person. And in due time it will be, even for DM, who’s tolerance level must be off the charts.

        And I believe this mechanism applies to any and all aspects of life, too. It’s how major shifts in thinking and doing occur in a person’s life as well as collectively in moral and political major shifts. It starts microcosmic-ally and can go the larger macrocosm…. but that idea is not the point of my making this point!

        Your are such a wonderful, contemplative and explicative soul, luna! I love it when you comment. And my oh my, you do jump in quite often and state your state of mind! And here at Jeff’s your posts are deeper and more meaningful than on the “other” blog of similar ex-churchgoers!…. if you catch my drift. That’s my observation anyway, for what it’s worth. Big thanks.

      • lunamoth permalink
        August 27, 2010 5:19 am

        Thanks for that personal insight, Mickey. I swear, I learn so much on this blog.

        I can see that it really is a very individual thing. It’s completely subjective and completely personal. “There’s got to be a better way,” for one person, comes out
        as “I didn’t sign up for this,” for another, or “This is not the scientology I joined,”
        or some other phrasing of that same realization.

        Yeah, there really is a difference between my posts on this site and on Marty’s. I value Marty’s a lot. A very dynamic and diverse group of posters there. But my views are no longer in agreement with the more orthodox views of the majority and since I (and they) see that blog as their space, I try to keep my manners in. Here I find my viewpoints, no matter how sacreligious, don’t hurt anybody or get people upset. Quite a different climate here, huh?

        I always look forward to your intelligent and kind insights, Mickey, so thanks for valuing my contributions, too (numerous as they are).

  20. Doc "Smith" permalink
    August 25, 2010 4:48 am

    When I was first in Scientology in 1980, a close friend ( who I got into the church) told me about being in the Hari Krishnas, which he had just left. The never gave him enough to eat, didn’t let him get enough sleep, made him shave his head and wear an orange robe (breaking any ARC with normal people).
    They had to stand on the sidewalk in town and chant, and try to sell books to people, and couldn’t go anywhere for the first 6 months or more without an escort – someone who was well in the group – to watch over them.
    Boy, we really saw how that was mind control and a cult.
    My friend, probably to some degree because he’d been through this became disaffected with Scientology management in the mid 90’s and disconnected from me and the church.
    I always hated that my family thought I was in a cult, when I was going for spirtual expansion. Whether Ron meant to start a cult or not, it is definitely one now.

  21. Earthmother permalink
    August 25, 2010 7:47 am

    This is off topic, but just as I was ready to turn out the light and get some sleep, I heard the ‘ping’ of a new email on my phone. Jeff, I just received notification that your book is being shipped to me! I am beyond excited, and so looking forward to reading it, and sharing it with others. Thank you!!

  22. Rebecca-Tribecca permalink
    August 25, 2010 7:47 am

    Jeff, another stimulating post, encouraging the reader to look and think.
    You could publish a book of these posts and find a market.
    Your blogs are quite something.

    I would like to contribute to several copies of “Counterfeit Dreams” so I can distribute it to my friends.

    As far as Cult vs Religion, there are 2 things they do which are unheard of in any other religion.

    1. Locking you down when you ask to leave and as you mentioned above—-

    Restricts the freedom of movement of staff, and chases after them if they leave

    Even the Jesuits who go through a 7 year program — a priest can ask to leave in his 6th year and after all that training, boom ! He is gone. Other Catholic monasteries and even the radical Opus Dei; if you want to leave —-you go !

    No kidnap. No lockdown. No Freeloader bill.

    Second point.
    2 No Religion on the face of the earth publishes a hate magazines on former members. I did get to see the one on Anderson Cooper and the Sea Org executives now gone. On back channels I found out how much lies and tabloid trash was invented in this “Freedom” magazine.

    However it had such HATRED. Such over the top diabolical accusations ~~ it was like check out at a supermarket when you see the Tabloid “My girlfriend gives birth to an alien with 9 legs.” That’s how it came across. It was pulp fiction.

    This is not a Church. What world do they live in ????? What planet are they on ????
    Freedom is a “church” publication ?

    It quacks and publishes like a CULT.

  23. Marc Abian permalink
    August 25, 2010 3:29 pm

    Scientology isn’t just quacking like a duck these days, it’s quacking like a duck in heat.

    It’s almost like they are hell bent on making the world know that they are a cult and working diligently to remove all doubt about the fact.

    Kinda of reminds me of the old cartoon where Bugs Bunny uses reverse psychology to trick Daffy Duck into adamantly proclaiming, “no, it’s duck huntin’ season!!”

  24. August 26, 2010 7:12 am

    How come my Idle Org has a rent-a-cop security guard 24/7?
    How come my Idle Testing Center also has a rent-a-cop security guard 24/7?
    How come my Idle Org is always mostly empty when I drive by?
    How come the KTL courseroom is currently being used for daycare?
    How come the new building has no lunch room? Almost no parking (22 spaces total)? No storage at all for your student materials, which you must literally bring to and from the org daily, including e-meters?
    How come the staff are tossing some of us under the bus for simply asking questions?

    No need to answer. I already know the real WHY. His name is David.

  25. PlainOldThetan permalink
    August 27, 2010 7:18 am


    You asked what kind of religion fits the outlined criteria?

    I remembered Catholicism as portrayed in “The Name of the Rose” and “The Messenger”. And Christianity that beheaded heretics, drowned them, hung them, mutilated them, burned them at stakes.

    I also remember the film “Sophie Scholl: The Final Days”, which portrayed Nazism in the light of it being as much a religion as anything.

    They don’t do that now, of course. (They’ve reformed.) But it happened.

  26. lunamoth permalink
    August 27, 2010 11:41 pm

    My copy of Counterfeit Dreams just came today! Anybody else get theirs yet?

    • earthmother permalink
      August 28, 2010 5:20 pm

      Got mine too! Thank you Jeff !

    • Marta permalink
      August 28, 2010 11:35 pm

      Yes! I got it Friday, too. Sweeeeeeet!

      Jeff, you said it woould publish in August and you delivered. Thanks so much.

    • RenegadeX permalink
      August 29, 2010 3:34 am

      Got mine!

    • Skollie permalink
      August 29, 2010 4:34 am

      I got mine yesterday and have done nothing but read since! Thanks for writing this book Jeff.

  27. Just Me permalink
    August 28, 2010 3:55 pm

    It ain’t just religions that quack:


    “Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state, usually under the control of a single political person, faction, or class, recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[2] Totalitarianism is generally characterised by the coincidence of authoritarianism (where ordinary citizens have no significant share in state decision-making) and ideology (a pervasive scheme of values promulgated by institutional means to direct most if not all aspects of public and private life).[3]

    “Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain political power through an all-encompassing propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that is often marked by personality cultism, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of speech, mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism.”

    Totalitarianism is not the exclusive domain of religions — or political systems, criminal gangs, military units, boarding schools, or dysfunctional families. It’s just a very old and very seductive model for society that never fails to punish.

    And it never starts out that way. It always starts out as a better alternative.

    And then one day it wins. And sometime after that it wins in a landslide and stifles all competition.

    And there comes the trouble: Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Just Me

  28. Peter McMahon permalink
    August 28, 2010 6:15 pm

    My copy arrived yesterday! It’s nice to have it in hard-cover form. Great job Jeff. Excellent cover graphics too. — Peter

  29. August 29, 2010 12:50 am

    After my response to an old friend’s letter in his response as a dedicated Scientologist to my postings as an Ex-Sea Org Member (see Website WHX page) I emailed the following tried to post it on my blog but have been trying for hours with WordPress customer support to access my blog and am totally locked out of it???? Nothing we can do to fix it???? Here is a copy of my email to:

    My old friend, I want to clarify my position. First of all I surely do understand your position and considerations, your kind and well meaning words and recommendations. I am no longer connected to Scientology in any way – any more or less than I am connected to the United States Marine Corps …. and my current focus has nothing to do with Scientology. I have spent 45 years of my life studying just about everything under the sun moon and stars (and whatever else is “out there”) and I can honestly say that I appreciate one thing from Ron and that is study tech – but there are two sides to that picture and I won’t elaborate on the more esoteric side of it. My comments were simply my comments in response to Brent’s questions. I was not attempting to influence him one way or another. It was his project. And what he got was what was there. Scientology would have no authority what so ever over anything I am, say or do unless I were to be coerced at the point of a gun perhaps with no other choice but to negotiate for my life. The only coercion this organization has is an implicit threat to one’s present and future well being. Just as it would be foolish of me to approach the U.S. Marine Corps with my grievances in relation to what they do fighting for “freedom and democracy” around the world. I am familiar with the anti-scientology movement especially Arnie Lerma and his group and will have nothing to do with that either as they are really still connected to it in lower conditions. It still is the focus of their lives too from a negative point of view. I have pointed my view elsewhere because I’ve had enough of all that stuff….. it was never my intention from the start and I’ve come to closure on that subject as of 1998. Interesting bits and pieces of news here and there peak my curiosity from time to time but that is the extent of my “connection”. God is my only authority of preference and that means many different things to many different people although it is not a thing so can not be described in thoughts and words. It is just something that I know with absolute certainty and there is no implicit threat from that anywhere under heaven and on earth! Socio-political-religious groups will always be posing threats and my policy is to just use the freedom that I have to steer clear of them until my life and experience here is finished. If you are enturbulated by anything I might say then I would recommend you find your MU cause it is definitely a whopper om pardon my evaluation! I will always appreciate your friendship along our rocky road of life…… Chris

  30. Karen#1 permalink
    August 29, 2010 2:18 am

    My copies came in yesterday. Last night I read key chapters til 4am.
    Even though I had read the on line version, it was still riveting.
    There is something therapeutic about reading such happenings on a 3rd flow.
    Prior to learning how this kind of conduct is so endemic in the culture, one
    tends to think and take some kind of blame inwardly. In other words one can eventually swallow that one must be that bad to “pull in” this kind of treatment.

    It is only when reading the web and truly digesting how very widespread the abuse is and how it occurs over and over and over, does one realize…this is the just the culture.
    DM has made the punishments drachonian.

    I am going to repost the link to the Press Conference Jeff and others recently did.
    The most moving tale of abuse at INT Base is Maureen Bolstad’s who was kept in a kidnapped lockdown state for 3 years and chased and overwhelmed and re-captured back to INT base each time she escaped.

    • lunamoth permalink
      August 29, 2010 5:45 am

      It’s a beautiful little book, and I’m even more engrossed in it than I was the first time I read the internet version.

      And, it’s a different experience now, knowing what I know. I had only begun to look when I first came across it, many months ago. It’s a bit surreal, too, now that I know Jeff.

      Jeff, I really believe you’ve produced something valuable here. This should really communicate to people of all degrees of affiliation with the c of s. Nobody’s going to be able to read it through and not be touched by it.


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