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Acceptable Truths, Convenient Lies

April 13, 2010

When we were on the Flagship Apollo in the early 1970’s, we were told what we could and could not say about ship activities when ashore. It was called a “shore story.” We were not to mention Scientology. If asked, we were the Operation and Transport Company (OTC), an “executive training firm” that brought people in from all over the world for “advanced management training.”

In PR Series 2, LRH said, “never use lies in PR.” But he also modified this, saying, “Handling truth is a touchy business also. You don’t have to tell everything you know — that would jam the comm line too. Tell an acceptable truth. … So PR becomes the technique of communicating an acceptable truth — and which will attain the desirable result.”

When we landed in Clearwater, we had a “shore story” too. We were “United Churches of Florida,” a pan-denominational religious group. We were not to mention Scientology. That was our “acceptable truth.”

Acceptable truth? There was nothing “true” about it. It was a lie, a false façade. Just like the lie, on the ship, that we were “OTC.”

And “acceptable”? Acceptable to whom? Our lie about being “OTC” on the ship was not really acceptable to the locals. They could see that we were not some “top management training organization.” We were a bunch of ragtag, long-haired kids aboard a rusty, WWII-era cattle transport. Our identity was shrouded in mystery. Our operations were shrouded in mystery. All they knew was that we were not who we said we were. The very fact that we were lying generated suspicion and rumors.

Same in Clearwater. We came into town under false pretenses. We lied. So was it any real surprise that, once the lie was exposed, the local population treated us with suspicion and distaste?

So our lies were not in any sense “acceptable.” They were only “acceptable” to us, because they temporarily “attained the desired result” of creating a benign public image. But any benefit was very transitory. The lies were never acceptable to the local public, and they backfired badly. People aren’t stupid, and it is arrogant to think they are.

The minute you start to blur the line between truth and “acceptable truth” and “convenient lies,” you’ve started down a slippery slope.

Fast forward to the Int Base, in the early 2000s.  I lived there. The reality was that the Int Base had become a nightmare of sleep deprivation, threats, punishments, physical and emotional abuse. Everyone there knew it. But that wasn’t an “acceptable truth.” Not acceptable, that is, to the image the Church wanted to project, of being a benign, humanitarian religious organization. So our long-term expertise at “telling acceptable truths” came into play. In letters home, I talked about how great and wonderful it was at the Int Base. On those few occasions where I toured business contacts through the Base, I talked about how idyllic our life was. It was a lie. But, as I told Anderson Cooper, I was willing to lie for the group. I was willing to lie to protect Scientology’s public image.

And David Miscavige? I knew him to be a bully and a tyrant, a man of volatile moods who ruled by threat and force. But I also knew that any criticism of him, even to close friends, would result in punishment or exile. So publicly, I sang his praises, as did everyone else. Like North Korea’s Kim Jong-il, the only “acceptable truth” was to sing his praises and deify him as a man without the slightest fault or blemish, a man of almost mystical ability and wisdom. To mention the slightest character flaw or error on the part of Miscavige would be to “damage Church image.” It was an “enemy” action.

Seeing the Church of Scientology “spokespeople” trotted out to defend the Church on the recent AC360 series, I was reminded of this mindset. Everything at the Base is wonderful, life there is ideal, nothing abusive ever happens there, and David Miscavige is the perfect “Dear Leader” with absolutely no character flaws whatsoever.

I understand why they did it. As I told Cooper, I would have done the same thing in their shoes. They are committed to the Church of Scientology. They believe they have to defend it at any sacrifice – even sacrificing the truth. And they know that to reveal certain things would mean personal punishment and exile.

But like any “acceptable truth,” it backfires. Because people are not stupid. They can see a lie. They can see it in your shrill insistence that life at the Base is perfect and Miscavige is perfect.  They can see it in your eyes, in your false indignation, your tension and nervousness. It is the ultimate in arrogance to think one can lie with impunity; that the “ignorant wogs” will never notice. They do notice. They do perceive. And the lie is very, very transparent.

Truth isn’t “acceptable” or “unacceptable.”

Truth is truth.

And truth, the whole truth, is the only thing that is acceptable.

  1. Mary Jo permalink
    April 13, 2010 8:02 pm

    Dear Jeff, as usual, your clear and concise way of expressing these issues goes to the heart of the matter.

    I had a quote on my bulletin board for years, by LRH (I am paraphrasing…can’t find the paper now..) – “Total truth is total power. And the moment a fellow doesn’t have any lies left in him, he is truly OT”. So I was striving for that- -no more lies, live with truth. But then I realized I was surrounded with lies in my “Church” and I myself was lying at every turn- how all was well, or how I had no money so could not donate, how happy I was, etc. etc. etc. So the group, I realized, from Int all the way down to every member, was continuously manufacturing lies. It was the only way to survive!! And as you point out, with a premise of “truth being something one can alter to fit one’s needs”, this type of scenario of rampant lies could easily blossom.

    So instead of moving in the direction of OT we have moved in the direction of an INVERSION of that…. you can probably name that condition better than me, with your writing skills. But for sure it is not what any one of us signed up for!!

    I am looking for MY truth now, that is my path. And it sure started with getting as far from organized Scientology or the group that calls itself “The Church of Scientology”!

    Thanks again for a post that leads to personal truth. That is real value!

    • sherrymk permalink
      April 13, 2010 9:02 pm


      How interesting that once again, our lives have paralleled. I, also, kept that quote on my desk. In fact, right before I finished OTVll, I started to pick apart my entire life, throwing away and/or changing anything I could find that had any semblance of a lie in it. I figured that if I could get rid of those things in my life that had even the smallest amount of untruth in it, I would CAUSE myself into a true OT. Interestingly enough, it wasn’t long after that that I completed OTVll. Then came OTVlll, supposedly “Truth Revealed”…and there is where the biggest lie of all was revealed. And we both know what that lie is…and thankfully, can now find real Truth.

      Jeff…you are the master of words.


      • Mary Jo permalink
        April 13, 2010 10:14 pm

        Wow Sher, that is wild, we had the same quote! I too experienced huge gains by weeding out lies, and now I am able to do it full-time! The layers peeled on and now they have to peel off!
        It is an amazing process one goes through after leaving the mess of Mestology.
        And it feels great. Better every day.
        And I love having you as a true friend!

      • VaD permalink
        April 14, 2010 8:11 pm

        I have to add here something that came along with that realization:

        I don’t need “to be somebody”. I don’t wannabe somebody, or to act “as” somebody (described by LRH – OT, Clear, Professional, auditor, person with ethics presence, ethical person, good person, big being…).
        I’m better off AS just me. I do better this way (without authoritative guidance).
        Looks like it’s the way to go for me.
        May be I evolved?!

        Important, too is that I don’t need and don’t want people (my studenst, friends..) to do “as…” (to my best standards set by LRH).
        And that’s important for my work, and it is also freeing for my relations with others.

        So, I guess I got to EP on Internet’s “Truth Rundown” (“lurk-post rundown”).
        On all flows. 🙂

        P.S. Sorry, if my language is not so clear.
        I’m from Russia. We have a bit different mentality which will never be the same to the one of yours in US.
        Yet, I love to write here and sometimes not be understood. 🙂
        It’s in my blood (“not to be understood”)

        Yet, you are all my friends! Each one of you!
        I love everyone of you!
        If you come to Russia, be my guest!
        ICQ: 441-196-858
        Skype: letssee_eachother

      • April 14, 2010 8:49 pm

        Thanks VaD, for explaining the Russian mentality.

        It kinda explains why I was never able to understand Tolstoy and Dostoevsky 🙂

        Any way if I’m ever in the FSU I’ll look ya up.

        In the mean time I enjoy reading your posts.

      • VaD permalink
        April 14, 2010 9:53 pm

        It’s not easy to understand Dostoevsky. I was hard time for me to read “Crime and Punishment”. But I DO recomend it.
        Having read it makes you feel better. Much better.

        P.S. RJ, You are a very intelligible person. I like you knowledge, and thanks for sharing. Yet, some times, you are too hard in your logic to your opponents in your statements, and I’m afraid to talk to you.

      • April 14, 2010 10:28 pm

        VaD my bark is actually worse than my bite 😉

        You’re right about Dostoevsky I enjoyed reading “Crime and Punishment”.

        As I wrote understanding it was a different matter. He was definitely ahead of the curve on such writers as James Joyce and our dearly departed Scientologist extraordinare William S Burroughs.

        And Tolstoy’s “War and Peace” is truly a classic.

        I’m sure you can guess who Napoleon reminds me of. 🙂

        You Russians have such a rich history of literature even during the dark days of the Soviet such as Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago. A good analogy for what the Int Base has become.

        Any way VaD don’t feel intimidated.

        I enjoy communicating and I consider debate a natural extension of that.

        Believe it or not I’ve become much more tolerant since leaving the IRS approved Church of Squirrelotogy.

      • VaD permalink
        April 15, 2010 6:37 am

        Another funny gag name: “IRS approved Church of Squirrelotogy” 🙂
        (Someone should collect all such from messages and post them “for reference” and “for the great justice”. That’d be great laugh to read. There’re so many of them: MESTology, Miscarriage…)

        RJ, don’t get me wrong. You DO make a difference here in this blog. I like to read your posts, too.
        Would be happy to meet and talk in person.

      • April 16, 2010 12:30 am


        I think we might have met back in the early ’90’s on the steps of ASHO.

        Anyway I’m still under cover since I still have friends who are “in” and so I don’t get “disconnected”. However, at some point I’ll have a coming out party.

        Anyway, would love to meet you again.

        In the meantime.

        You can contact me at my account.

        Prefix is the name given to the remote viewing program after Grill Flame in the following article:

        All in lower case in one word no spaces.



    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 4:21 am

      Mary Jo, Sherrymk
      Wow!! It’s amazing to hear from both of you that. Looks like, after all, we are in the same shoes – seeking individual Truth for ourselves. I mean, despite the fact that I only did Purif and you have gone all the way through “Truth revealed”, and we are in the same boat in regards to the subject under discussion.
      Thanks for sharing!
      My awareness grows daily.
      Yesterday I had startling realization that I have no more fear in me for being just me. I DON’T HAVE TO be “good” and DON’T HAVE TO be “right” (in other people’s and my own eyes). I KNOW that when I’m good and when I’m right and no program or theory of any help me with that. So, I can now toss any theory or guidance giving me “Truth”. I mean, I’m not chained to them anymore. It’s kinda feeling that I HAVE the truth in me, it’s TOTALLY MINE, I own it, and nobody will substitute it for “truth” of his brand. And I don’t feel that I need to impose and make my truth accepted by others.
      And – it’s a great feeling. My space is MY space. This world is MY world, and I can see it with MY OWN eyes, and act according to my own lights, and survive under own steam, and without any need “to find proper reference which will confirm or reject or modify my current view”. (Have o admit, sick of me that I was doing it before!)

      And I would like every innately goodwill person to have such a feeling for himself, too. 🙂

      • Mary Jo permalink
        April 14, 2010 3:46 pm

        VaD, that is GREAT!!

      • lunamoth permalink
        April 14, 2010 10:28 pm

        VaD What a wonderful thing!

  2. Fidelio permalink
    April 13, 2010 8:06 pm

    Jeff, another astute dissertation on the twist “acceptable truth” which opens the door to the most flagrant diversions of a natively simple thing: the truth.

    The ball-ups, the masses, the devastated PR – that’s what we have now worldwide – and I personally can’t see how the Church would recover from that ever – since NO turn around, NO reform, NO readiness back to truth can be observed at all. And it all started B.M. (before Miscavige!!) He just had to hook onto that deeply ingrained “culture” from the ol’ days.

    So thank you for keeping up Pinocchios nose grow and grow and grow till even the willingly blind cannot help but feel his nose if still refusing to see it.

  3. April 13, 2010 8:08 pm

    Agreed! Only the WHOLE TRUTH should be considered “acceptable.” Such as the WHOLE TRUTH about the international crimes of the Scientology cult.

  4. lunamoth permalink
    April 13, 2010 9:24 pm

    Aw, Jeeze, Jeff, thanks for saying it!

    There’s something fundamentally wrong with a group that lies so blithely, with no sense of regret or wrong-doing, but which “demands” the absolute truth of it’s followers to the point of putting them on a meter and interrogating them on a regular basis.

    Maybe if someone had actually tried to run the church on the principles it is supposed to be teaching … how can an applied spiritual technology be fine for “handling life,” but not appropriate for running a group? Either it’s not such a great tech, or the administrator(s) of the group have/has ulterior motives, some unstated goals other than freeing beings.

    Given what LRH himself said about the relationship between controlling people and lying to them, it makes it pretty clear what that motive really is.

    And to Mary Jo, where you been, girl? Good to see you posting again! And as always, you said it beautifully – and I hope our new, chosen paths continue to cross.


    • Mary Jo permalink
      April 13, 2010 10:09 pm

      Beautifully stated Lunamoth! There is that duplicity again! I had not thought about the interrogations on the “lie detector” to see if we are telling the truth- ! And boy do we ever find out the truth about “friends” only after we decide to be truthful about our views towards the CofM! Wowie.
      And thanks for the welcome….and I reeeeally want to meet you in person! 🙂

  5. Rebecca-Tribecca permalink
    April 13, 2010 9:28 pm

    Another articulately and beautifully written piece.

    Readers of this Blog could also add more


    1) You can be a Scientologist and any other religion simultaneously, Catholic, Buddhist, Mormon. This is told at INTRO level.
    The fact that you will be shipped off to the MAA for “other practices” is not disclosed.

    2) The Lie of distancing. When someone kills himself or commits CRIME, e.g. Reed Slatkin and his Ponzi scheme, the lie is “he hasn’t done services for YEARS”. ” He was barely a church member.”

    3)Editor…what about the ex-wives recent LIES. Telling Anderson Cooper that the BEATERS and ABUSERS were removed for doing the beatings. Marty and Mike Rinder BLEW to get the hell out of the insane conditions and to cease doing what DM was forcing them to do.
    Others like you did not beat others at all.

    4) Tommy Davis incessantly lies. He lies all day long. There is almost nothing, he, as Church spokesman says that is not a lie. He emphatically denies DM has done beatings !
    He denies enforced disconnection.

    Your “acceptable truth” definition is very helpful

  6. Wallflower permalink
    April 13, 2010 10:14 pm

    This may not be PROOF that your ex lied to AC360, but in 2008 you stated…


    …”Suddenly, and without warning, he leapt up on the conference room table and launched himself at me. He slammed me up against a wooden partition and proceeded to hit me in the face. Then he threw me to the floor. I was in complete shock. I ended up laying on the floor with my legs entangled in his. “Let go of my legs!” he screamed. I did. Then he walked out of the room.

    I was shaking, my shirt was torn, and my face stinging. An exec near me said “Get up, get up – don’t make him WRONG.” Imagine that. I’ve just been assaulted by the Chairman of the Board RTC, the head of Scientology, and all they can think of is to “not make him wrong.”

    Needless to say, I was the Ethics target – of course. I was put on the decks. And of course, I never spoke about this to the general staff. My wife asked me why my face was scratched and bruised, and I said I had fallen down. At this point, I was 56 years old.” …

  7. April 13, 2010 11:53 pm

    Good article as always Jeff.

    However, I think your perspective is too black and white also there is no comparison to the UC “caper” as the GO called it and OTC and Davy’s lil’ Mk Ultra project.

    Besides both the United Churches and Operation Transportation Corp were both registered legal entities. So there was some degree of truth involved. Also they were both designed to cover operations not crimes. Unlike the Manchurian Candidate like responses that Int Base personnel now give the media when asked about dear leader which are solely designed to cover up Miscavige’s crimes.

    Tell me Jeff what is illegal about calling yourself the “Flying Furry Burrito Brothers” or the “The Fifth Street Performance Art Group” or “Air America”? CIA does this sort of thing all the time. So do Government Law Enforcement organizations especially when they are running a sting operation.

    As far as I’m concerned the Ol’man was just applying standard tradecraft.

    Governments do this sort of thing all the time.

    Especially when their operations are being conducted in a hostile environment.

    Are you suggesting what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander?

    The thing that gets me about many Scientology critics is that they seem to have some kind of double standard. Like if the Government or other churches (like the RC Church and other Churches that operate through various front and cover organizations as well, such as for example Opus Dei or Moral Rearmament ) does this sort of thing then it seems okay.

    Yet if the Church of Scientology follows the same lead….

    News Flash…

    Deception operations have been a common facet of life on Earth for millennia . Many of the most successful were run by the Christian Church in the first millennium.

    One really should study up on such things before passing moral judgement.

    Anyway that is my main objection to the piece, Jeff.

    • Jeff permalink*
      April 14, 2010 3:39 am

      RJ, thanks for your input and the differences you’ve pointed out are noted. The point of the article was just this: a lie is a lie is a lie. What I object to is trying to gloss over a lie by calling it an “acceptable truth.” There is nothing either acceptable or truthful about it. It’s not a double standard – if any other church tried to covertly operate through such a false front, as the C of S did, I’d say the same thing. As for the argument that “what’s good for government covert spy operations is good for churches,” well, I just don’t agree. A church is supposed to hold to a certain moral standard – covert spy operations are notoriously amoral.

      • April 14, 2010 5:41 am

        Thanks Jeff,

        Yes I agree that spy operations are amoral but the fact is that traditionally Organizations and individuals that have been marginalized have had to resort to covert means and methods in the past and continue to do so in the present in order to survive. This includes our Founding Fathers as well under colonial rule. They operated as a conspiracy until they signed the DOI.

        We both know that George Washington said that “Honesty id the best policy”, yet he was one of the Revolutionary War’s top spy masters according to various histories including one published by CIA’s Studies in Intelligence.

        As far as I’m concerned it’s the way things are.

        And there is a difference between an Ideal and what actually is. True the Ideal, is Ideal. Remember we fought a civil war in this country to finally achieve the Ideal that “all men are created equal” and maybe without Miscavige and his “friends” seizing control we might have yet achieved the Ideal of truth within Scientology. Seems unlikely now.

        Also Ron distinguishes between Intelligence or Espionage operations and PR. What is called an “acceptable truth” is part of the PR series. I’d just like to make that distinction here.

        However, I agree with you totally that “a lie, is a lie, is a lie” when it comes to protecting Miscavige’s sorry ass.

        To me there may be some things are worth lying for as a last resort. Miscavige is not. He isn’t even worth the time of day.

  8. lunamoth permalink
    April 14, 2010 1:12 am

    Knowing you, now, Jeff, that excerpt from you book is hard to read. Ironically, I may know you less well than the bully/maggot/miscreant who assaulted you, and probably less well than the people who did nothing to defend you or help you in that assault.

    Working, sleeping and breathing such a fucked-up environment does things to people’s integrity and values. I know that goes without saying, but I want to say it.

    When these people wake up the lies they’ve bought, there is just going to be so much hell to pay.

  9. Elizabeth permalink
    April 14, 2010 3:58 am

    There should be a sec check question, “Have you told an Acceptable Truth?”

    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 6:14 pm

      ROFL 🙂 🙂 🙂

  10. Mickey permalink
    April 14, 2010 5:53 am

    To whom an “acceptable truth” is given, upon discovering what was being concealed, once revealed becomes an “unacceptable lie”. No one inherently deserves or wishes being betrayed. Though we all probably at some time, to some degree or another have done such in our relationships, we cannot live with ourselves continuing in this manner, and eventually must stop.

    And so the exodus continues at an ever increasing pace. Thanks Jeff for another poignant contribution.

  11. April 14, 2010 7:31 am

    Axiom 18:

    Axiom 19:

    CoS practice Scientology the exact wrong way in trying to not-is or alter-is every fact instead of just confronting it. Scientology to me is to be able to confront anything, even if it “hurts” the church image. THAT is Scientology. Total as-is.

    Church of Scientology as of today act as a bunch of squirrels.

    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 6:26 pm

      I believe that in question here is not scientology teachings (i.e., Axioms) vs. scientology church practice
      but rather scientology (teachings, chruch’s people behavior, attitudes, official church’s actions) vs. human beings (who are generally not stupid and can see things vs. statements as they are).

      So, quoting scientology’s axioms is not to the point here.

      Jeff, am I correct in what you wanted to express?

      • April 15, 2010 7:20 am

        The point I was trying to make was that the church as of right now do not practice Scientology as it should be practiced, which is to confront things and acknowledge problems instead of lying and thus bringing the solution further away.

        So quoting those axioms has very much to do with the church behavior since Int Management and spokespersons should read them and apply them.

        Then there’s the other discussion of resolving problems within an organization and kind of keeping it quiet which most organizations actually do. But having several people from the Sea Org being convinced to lie blatantly on National TV is unsual for organizations and highly unappropriate the way I see it.

        To Miscavige, Davis and the others. Read the axioms and apply them.

        One tend to also forget that there are many, many good people in CoS that do good things and good auditing everyday. The main problems are within the top management and the culture within the organization of not speeking freely and openly about problems and statistics, and that is not a healthy environment.

  12. Impressive person permalink
    April 14, 2010 8:56 am

    Hi Jeff,

    you forgot to mention TR-L, Fair Game (may be tricked, sued, LIED TO or destroyed), dead agenting and other practices (find or MANUFACTURE enough threat to force the enemy to sue for peace). When the paranoid witch hunt fuelled by McCarthy swept America, Hubbard denounced his real and perceived ‘enemies’ as communists to the FBI – including his ex-wife.

    I think the lies and deception have been there from the beginning, including the mindset that the end justifies the means. Today those actions are justified as self-defence, but if one would look at this from a different perpective, one might come to the conclusion that Hubbard’s Ghandi-like quotes are just PR to hide his true objectives: Expansion by subversion, infiltration and other guerilla tactics.

    “Only when we learn to trust each other, there will be peace on earth.” Sounds great, unfortunately the inventor of the sec check didn’t trust anybody, as long as his authority was not challenged he never relinquished the tiniest amount of control. I agree with lunamoth that the system itself was flawed from the beginning, otherwise Miscavige would’ve been unable to take over so easily.
    There was a power vacuum and a congregation drilled to take orders and not ask any questions- the perfect situation for a ruthless man. (If you don’t believe this, check the term “critical thought” in a regular dictionary, then you will realize how Hubbard perverted the term to prevent ‘thought crime’.) You only become powerful if you really want it, and God help us if the motivation is unethical (the wog meaning of ethical).

    The real trap of Scientology is the exploitation of the goodness of its members. Many people call Scientology a scam, but I don’t (fully) agree. A scam exploits the greed of people by promising to make easy money without having to work for it, those suckers really deserve it. Scientology attracts those who’re willing to make huge personal sacrifices to help others, that’s why it’s so hard make a clear cut.
    As Mary Jo said above, lying becomes essential – including self-deception. I don’t try to force my view on anybody, this is just food for thought.

    When I read ‘Counterfeit Dreams’, I was utterly enthralled, but at times it was really depressing to realize how easy people can be corrupted under certain conditions. The Stanford Prison Experiment comes to mind.

    On the other hand, you picked yourself up and rebuilt your life in a strange and foreign world, you succeeded against all odds, Jeff. You have every reason to feel bitter and hostile, yet you chose to take on your tormentors with calm logic and wit, and your comment about your ex-wife says a lot about your heart as well. I wish you all the best.

    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 7:03 pm

      Great post, Impressive person!
      All of it. From the first to the last letter.

      I would just add from myself (no links attached as in “no strings attached”) 🙂
      scientology was (besides becoming “religious in nature” after successful experimenting in the field of human mind with Dianetics) had become mostly Marketing, Sales, PR thing rather than “religion”.
      Parts and pieces of scn tech are known and used around the world as good tools FOR Marketing, Sales and/or PR (Tone Scale, Hard Sale, …)
      Hubbard invented it?! – Well, maybe him.
      Does it have anything to do with religion? – Now we can say “yes”.
      Did it ever have to do with religion in our minds and souls? – No!

  13. April 14, 2010 11:37 am

    Sorry Jeff,

    But it seems you are mexing things up here. Normally I love your writing very much, but this time it’s kind of a=a= and it seems you have the same MU as many other people.
    Truth can be acceptable. If I buy some jewelry for my wife for her Birthday or we have a big surprise for her, we won’t tell her the thruth but acceptables thruths she can undesrstand, but we won’t lie. If we would tell her the whole truth we can’t surprise her.
    Also, sometimes you have to tell a person the truth on a gradient or she could break down.
    Nevertheless a truth is still a truth, even if the word acceptable is before it. acceptable truth is not= Lie. Clear your words !
    “Shore story” is not an acceptable truth. I don’t know the def. of it but it’s 2 totally different words.
    And what the PR of C.O.S is telling at the TV are lies, not acceptable truths or shore stories.
    last but not least if you were telling lies while you were in the S.O. I suggest you make a list of all the lies you have been telling to people and then you call it lies and not something else.
    Sorry, i had to speak my mind.

    Have a nice Day


    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 7:24 pm

      Re: A=B=С… (By the way, A=A=A never made sense to me because in normal logic they ARE equal!)
      Let’s call the spade the spade!
      We have a space here to do it… to call lies the lies and to call truth to come along.

      “White lies” are not equal to the lies to make people believe in your ability to hypnotize people. (I learned that first hand so I know what I’m talking about).

      There is NO truth in ANYBODY’s words – be it LRH, Buddha, Christ himself unless YOU YOUSELF
      SEE they are true.

      We can contemplate about “the actual truth” forever unless we both see and agree that YOU have your own truth and I have mine, and leave it at that, without getting into significances of your truth, or my truth.

  14. April 14, 2010 4:03 pm

    The intelligence of so many former C0fS members just screams from the web for recognition. And this one datum reveals so many outpoints. Why did the Church under LRH have such a poor public image? Intelligent people are role models and set standards. Intelligent, dynamic individuals get the job done. Despite propaganda to the contrary, a normal person would gravitate toward a subject that made them more dynamic and intelligent. And yet, how much closer are we to having a “cleared planet?”

    It’s convenient to lay all the blame on David Miscavage. Comparing his actions and behavior to current laws defines him as a criminal. Though not officially indicted, he belongs in prison. Yet, he was not in charge from the beginning. He might have wrested control from those whom LRH intended, but LRH was still alive when this occurred! You can argue that LRH was lied to and deceived, but that in itself is a glaring outpoint. What about the author of the data series? Shouldn’t one who commanded that information have been able to spot a lie? And what about the author of Knowledge-Responsibility-Control. Shouldn’t such a person have had the responsibility to maintain accurate knowledge to assert control? And the author of all those words about suppressives and the tone scale and obnosis. Get the point?

    Before you get the wrong impression, I love reading LRH and listening to his lectures. I love the observations and the applicable truth. But I also realize from reading about his life that he was running a lie on us much of the time. And this applies here. Reading unauthorized LRH biographies exposes many of those lies. And the lies were in his own hand, not in some government based conspiracy.

    Do I think Scientology has value? Sure. A lot of value.

    Does that value justify a continuance of being duped just to protect the author of the subject? Well, that’s for you to decide. But that decision should be based on knowing the whole story.

    As for me, when I was growing up poor, most of my friends were thugs, mean and violent and unscrupulous. They were still my friends. I knew where they were coming from. Even though we could all lie convincingly, they weren’t lying to me. And we did some rotten things.

    So, does it bother me that LRH had a bit of the con artist in him? Nope. Does it matter that he stretched the truth and outright lied on occasion? Not especially. From the first moment I attended a lecture, took a course and went to a congress in NYC when the seventies were budding I knew something was amiss. Too many contradictions. Too many outpoints.

    So, from the beginning I was inclined to sort out fact from fiction, applicable truth from convincing scam. Never once did I glorify “the old man.” But, I sure loved the data. And I loved giving and receiving auditing and training.

    Certainly, some of this is upsetting. But we learn from cognitive dissonance. Having the shit kicked out of you mentally is not such a bad thing. The tougher you get, the more exciting it gets. And if you truly ever want to become dynamic and powerful you have to learn to handle those things that can knock you on your ass so you can control the situation. A fighter who can’t take a punch is going to lose.

    So, blaming DM only goes so far. And protecting and defending LRH only goes so far. In the long run, neither is as important as the truth you find for yourself and reveal to others.

    The line, “and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make,” could be converted here to “and in the end the truth you take is equal to the truth you make.”

    Much love,


    • lunamoth permalink
      April 14, 2010 6:18 pm

      OnceUponaTime (Michael)-

      I just loved this. Thanks for being the pay-off of my whole morning blog-read .


    • Mary Jo permalink
      April 14, 2010 7:00 pm

      Michael, How refreshing to read your viewpoint/ truth! Thank you!

    • VaD permalink
      April 14, 2010 7:49 pm

      I love your post!

      “The intelligence of so many former C0fS members just screams from the web for recognition!’ – You are SO right. It’s not stupidity that brought us here and to the web.

      “It’s convenient to lay all the blame on David Miscavage” – he is the most obvious object of observation of what is wrong but we CAN see deeper since we are not stupid (if we want to…) some stay at this level.

      “Before you get the wrong impression, I love reading LRH and listening to his lectures. I love the observations and the applicable truth”. – I have the same. LRH has given me great views on life and it looks like I can think bigger with his teachings than could before.

      “Do I think Scientology has value? Sure. A lot of value”. – I do, too!

      “As for me, when I was growing up poor, most of my friends were thugs, mean and violent and unscrupulous. They were still my friends. I knew where they were coming from. Even though we could all lie convincingly, they weren’t lying to me. And we did some rotten things”. – I had similar experiences. So (to the church) what?

  15. April 14, 2010 8:38 pm

    lunamoth, Mary Jo, VaD and those who thought of posting:

    That we are fallible explains a lot. That we can fill the world with joy explains even more.

    Much love,


    p.s. Thanks Jeff.

  16. Just Me permalink
    April 14, 2010 8:44 pm

    Thanks to all for putting your ideas out here.

    On the issue of absolutes vs. degrees, I agree there are no absolutes, only degrees. Nonetheless each of us can observe the value of truth and lies and feel the sting of a lie told to benefit some and harm others, the betrayal when “acceptable truths” are told to manipulate and control for personal gain.

    Therefore, my comments below don’t apply to gift jewelry or the behaviors of government espionage agents or political revolutionaries. My comments below apply to Scientology and to our discussion here and elsewhere about how Scientology (and which parts of it) can be salvaged from the Church’s and Scientologists’ common morés.

    To my taste, the Co$ — and before that the CoS — has favored much too much the shady side of the street. I realize others may not see things the same way I do. Why those things happened can be debated and justified ’til the cows come home.

    But now, let’s look forward.

    I wouldn’t expect any religious or spiritual organization to walk into the open marketplace of ideas and, metaphorically speaking, hold out its arms and beg, “Come on, destroy me — I really want you to destroy me! I will not defend myself!”

    However, any spiritual organization that expects to gain respect and seekers in the marketplace will be known by the inherent fairness and goodness of its actions and the motivation and behavior of its adherents.

    Any spiritual organization simply cannot indulge — or worse, regale — in espionage, conspiracies, acceptable truths (by which I mean lies) or even the appearance of lies. Otherwise, that organization will simply not be trusted.

    And if Scientology and its organizations and adherents cannot be trusted — if their “truth” is too complex, too weasly, too waffly — then no one looking at Scientology’s brand of spiritual freedom will buy it.

    You can trap people with lies. But you cannot spiritually free them with lies.

    Many of us are now engaged here and elsewhere in attempting to understand what is true and what is a lie. Although we do not require absolutes, we can weigh truth and lies in our hearts. And we can tell the difference.

    Just Me

    • April 14, 2010 10:31 pm

      Just me,

      God, I admire intelligence.


    • lunamoth permalink
      April 14, 2010 10:36 pm

      What you describe about scientology’s “truth” being too complex, too weasly and too waffly (love the choice of words) is exactly what has happened. And you can see the response it gets from the public
      every time tommy boy opens his mouth.

    • Mary Jo permalink
      April 14, 2010 10:58 pm

      And I admire intelligent eloquence! Wow!

    • Kingair350 permalink
      April 15, 2010 2:28 am

      Jeff, Just Me and Michael,

      Your words and thoughts will resonate in the hearts and minds of all those who have had the courage to look, evaluate and conclude on the subject so eloquently expressed within this thread.

      You gentlemen, have expressed the fundamental ideal, which is higher than any religion, philosophy, system or method of managing mankind: the ideal of logic. And what happens when you betray that ideal.

      I consider this thread the finest expression of our ideals as Scientologists/human beings I have yet read.

      Jeff, you provoke us all to see, and/or communicate what is and what can be. And, just so you know, when I first came across “Counterfit Dreams”, I read non-stop till 4am. It was my first introduction to the ‘scene’. 3 months later I think I’ve settled out.
      I’ve been at it since ’64 so I know, like so many of us, what we’ve had, lost, and WILL recover!

      Ok – I’m ready for another pail of cold logic.

      Thanks again, Jeff.

    • VaD permalink
      April 15, 2010 6:41 am

      Just me,
      Your statement is awesome!
      All I was saying to myself while reading it was “yes” and “Yes!” and “YES!”
      Your words definitely resonate with me.
      Will keep it for reference if you don’t mind. 🙂

      P.S. Actually, I will keep many of the posts here for reference. They are just that good.
      Because they show clearly that logic prevails over dogma.

  17. April 15, 2010 12:23 am

    Jeff, great post! You have taken down the barricade and opened up the deep end of the pool. You the man! Incredible comments being posted here and my gears (whatever the hell my gears are) are whirring (is that a word?). I’ll be back once I can figure out what to say.

  18. April 15, 2010 1:13 am

    We have this chance going forward to base our plans and our hopes on the truth.

    When we attempt to vilify without inspection, we commit as great an error as when we deify without inspection.

    None of us are perfect, but we are working to build a better world outside the church with all of the technology and experience we can salvage from our years of service in the church.

    We do ourselves a disservice when we accept the idea that the evil began with David Miscavige. Until we force ourselves to look at LRH as a flawed human being with enormous talent, we will be unable to assign responsibility where it belongs.

    The church may have been a bit of a flim flam operation from the beginning but there were undeniable miracles and I was privileged to experience some of them. When LRH began the actions that transformed the churches into a cult, some miracles of spiritual healing still occurred although they were fewer and fewer every year.

    The transformation of the CofS into a cult began in earnest with the imposition of the dogma of KSW #1 when questions were no longer permitted and independent thought was forbidden. With the warrior priests of the SO terrorizing org execs and mission holders, the complete transformation was merely a matter of time.

    We have the opportunity to ask every question and insist on complete answers. If we are to repair our integrity as a group, we must know what we have been ignoring and what we must do to make up the damage done. We owe it to ourselves and to those who spoke up years ago and suffered the consequences of speaking the truth in public.

    The only acceptable truth for me is the entire truth about the church and every individual involved in bringing it down to where it is today. We all played a part, even those of us who slipped quietly away when we saw it was going down.

    Until we move up through the Conditions, we are still stuck with the situations we failed to handle. That’s why applying KRC is vital and taking responsibility for bringing the church to a halt is everyone’s business now before any more lives are destroyed.

    The first step is being open to learning the truth…

  19. John Doe permalink
    April 15, 2010 2:35 am

    Great article Jeff, and great thread everyone!

    Here is another aspect to this that occurred to me: When one is involved in some type of game, it is often essential to keep things from your opponent(s). You have to keep operational data, intentions, plans, etc. hidden from your opponents. In other words, often it is just good game-playing to lie to your enemies.

    However, it can get tricky, when you begin to not fully disclose things you should, to your friends or teammates. By not disclosing actual truth vs “acceptable truth”, you are at best, weakening your alliance with a teammate, and at worst, creating an outright enemy. It is because of the untruth that you place them in an opponent’s relationship to you. A few quick examples:

    IAS reg: “We’d like you to come over and get a briefing. It will be short and you won’t be regged.”

    Event call-in person: “This is going to be the biggest event ever and the most amazing release you’ve ever seen!”

    FSC office: “It’s a quick cycle and just about everyone finishes in less than an intensive.”

    “Acceptable Truth” would be a more accurately be termed “Acceptable Lie”, but most people would innately find it objectionable to be asked to tell such.

    The church as been noted more than once as having a tendency to energetically create enemies for itself. It starts with it being acceptable to be untruthful to your own parishioners!

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