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Post Game #3 – Getting the Story Straight

April 1, 2010

“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything”

Mark Twain

One of the accusations that Tommy Davis leveled against the whistleblowers was that we had all gotten together somehow and coordinated our stories. How we did that is a mystery, considering that we live thousands of miles apart. Presumably there was a big meeting somewhere and big storyboards and timelines were pasted up on the wall and we all had to memorize the details. Unfortunately, I must have missed that meeting, so I just say what happened. And amazingly, it is consistent with the stories told by Marty, Amy, Tom, Steve Hall and many others. What a coincidence.

But the question really isn’t how we managed to coordinate all of our stories and keep them consistent, but why the Church can’t. After all, they all work in the same tiny compound in San Jacinto, their desks are close to one another’s, and they meet all the time. So why can’t they keep their stories straight?

Their current story is that it was Marty who beat up Mike Rinder, not David Miscavige. But then why does Cathy Rinder swear up and down that there was never, ever a mark on her husband’s body? What’s the truth, was he beaten or not?

In June, Int Base Executive David Bloomberg floated a bizarre story to the St. Petersburg Times telling how I had assaulted David Miscavige during a meeting in 2002, not the other way around. In his current affidavit to CNN, he changed his story, and now states that nothing violent at all happened in that 2002 meeting I had with Miscavige. But now Guillaume Lesevre and Norman Starkey state emphatically that Miscavige wasn’t even there at the Base in 2002!  Yet Bloomberg says I met with him! So which is it?

The Church has painted itself into a corner with the admission that there was rampant violence at the Int Base. Davis now states that Marty Rathbun assaulted 22 people between 2001 and 2004, for a total of 50 assaults. They claim that Mike Rinder and Tom deVocht also assaulted people. So from their description, they admit a culture that was rife with unchecked violence.

Well, Anderson Cooper asked a very astute question. Why didn’t anyone call the police? Why didn’t anyone file charges? Why was this tolerated?

Guillaume Lesevre and Norman Starkey claim it was because “David Miscavige wasn’t there.”

Well, why didn’t Guillaume or Norman stop it? Guillaume was ED Int at the time, the top Church management official. Norman was a top executive in RTC, supposed to police the proper use of Scientology. Why didn’t they stop what they have described as Marty’s four year “reign of terror?”

The only thing that would make sense is if Marty was the de facto leader of the Church in Miscavige’s “absence.” Not so – Guillaume states that Marty was not in a position of power. Well, OK, if he wasn’t in a position of power, then why didn’t they, Norman and Guillaume, as senior executives in the Church of Scientology, handle it?

And why didn’t they inform David Miscavige? After all, if someone is carrying out an abusive reign of terror at Scientology’s International Base, don’t you think that would merit a mention in a dispatch or report or phone call, sometime during the four-year period during which this was going on? Wouldn’t that be of prime importance to the leader of the Church of Scientology?

No, say Guillaume and Norman, we didn’t think we should bother him with such a petty matter involving an insignificant staff member. Well, which was it? Was it a four year “reign of terror” that you were powerless to stop, or was it a minor matter not deserving of a slot in Miscavige’s packed schedule?

And why didn’t anyone call the police, or file charges? “We decided to handle it internally,” said Church Lawyer Monique Yingling. Oh really? The Church consulted their lawyer and then decided to “handle it internally.”

And by the way, everyone knows, in the wake of the Catholic child abuse scandals, that “handle it internally” is synonymous with “cover-up,”

So why would the Church cover it up? Why wouldn’t they bring in the authorities to handle what amounts to felony assault?

As Anderson Cooper pointed out, the only thing that explains all these contradictions is if the leader of the Church of Scientology was the one carrying out this physical abuse. Why else would no one be able to handle or stop it, even top Church executives? Why else would the entire Church executive, PR and legal structure insist that it be “handled internally.”

People aren’t stupid. And when your story has that many holes in it, they know you’re not being straight.

  1. April 1, 2010 5:10 am

    Touche, Jeff.

    Excellent episode this evening. Anderson’s best.


  2. sherrymk permalink
    April 1, 2010 5:16 am

    Brilliant, concise analysis as usual. Nothing more need be said.

    • Sinar permalink
      April 1, 2010 5:54 am

      I second the motion!

  3. Mickey permalink
    April 1, 2010 5:35 am

    “Oh, the tangled webs we weave, When we practice to deceive.” Sir Walter Scott

    “…..what you described here is the end result of what lying does. You have to remember the lies so as not to contradict one of them with another future statement. It’s hard to stay focused and talking in the present moment and still try and juggle a past memory as it might relate to the current subject matter conversation. Eventually and inevitably the mechanism fouls up. It’s an impossible feat to do.” (from AC 360 Part II)

    I posted the above comment over at Marty’s CNN AC 360 Part II thread. And it is so much more applicable here with yours Jeff. Are we beginning to notice that with each nightly installment of this series that the woven web-fabric is unraveling more and more?

    After reading this post, let me add that not only does each person require the presence of mind to remember their own individual lies in order for this mental mechanism of CYA to work, but they must now be able to remember the lies of their fellow weavers so as not to have happen exactly what Jeff describes here. And thus does the undoing of storied lies continue.

  4. lunamoth permalink
    April 1, 2010 5:45 am

    Yup. You got it.

  5. craig houchin permalink
    April 1, 2010 5:52 am

    Another great 360 segment and another great commentary by you, Jeff. My head hurts just trying to keep score on the lies. I can only imagine what those poor guys must be going through, trying to remember the right lie and being completely in terror of the consequences should they not perform well.

    It’s really kind of sad to watch. I admired and respected these leaders of Scientology. To see them fall so far is heart-wrenching.

  6. April 1, 2010 6:05 am


    I enjoy your posts quite a bit. Thanks for doing what you are doing! I saw the discomfort creep across your ex-wife’s face after Anderson paid her your compliment. I felt terrible for her. And so did she.
    With respect,
    Idle Org

  7. VaD permalink
    April 1, 2010 6:23 am

    Great Twain’s quote at the top! It’s been one of my all-time favorite ones.
    The other side of it is that one HAS to remember all his lies throughout times to look consistent. And it’s REALLY hard for a straight human being (who was conceived hohest by Nature).

    Those are the great questions you’ve asked!
    Thank you!
    I think core answers to them: devotees are forced to lie – by DBM and by their Ethics policies (“for the greatest good”).

  8. Rebecca-Tribecca permalink
    April 1, 2010 6:56 am

    The positioning of a “Church” with the word “VIOLENCE” is just terrible.
    This is repeated over and over as Anderson Cooper’s show repeats over and over and over.

    Starkey trying to position CofS with usage of “Monks” and “Pope” and “defrocked” just didn’t cut it.

    Covering up felonies such as assault and battery by not a single report to law enforcement does not look good. “the Public have a right to know” said Anderson Cooper. Indeed.

    Sometimes “Cover Ups” are viewed as worse than the original misdeeds. “Obstruction of Justice” is always a separate charge than the felony or misdemeanor.

    A Church that lies and lies and lies is also a poor image. The Sea Org tries so hard to be secretive, but because the internal abuse is so bad, their members blow and write blogs and books.

    Does the Church ever realize “The Why is not God?”

  9. AlexMetheny permalink
    April 1, 2010 7:01 am

    Hi Jeff,

    You are brilliant and I really look forward to meeting you in Portland sometime soon.


  10. April 1, 2010 7:24 am


    Remember the PR series HCOPL where Ron says never lie in PR. Yet it’s obvious that these guys are lying by virtue of the fact that their lips are moving!

    Now they bring in a lawyer!

    A professional liar!!!!

    Monique Ding Ding ( I guess the Cobra was unavailable) which makes them look more like the Mafioso than a credible religion!

    In all my time in Scientology and this includes the whole GO debacle did I ever have the feeling that I was watching a such PR catastrophe. It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion!

    By the way Jeff you’re doing a great job.

    Cool, calm, collected and real.



  11. April 1, 2010 8:39 am

    Pretty smart to go into great detail like this, sort of like a court room criminal case. That’s the way it’s done in the real world. This way everything will be straightened out into the smallest detail. And the real and true story will come through.

  12. Mystery Guest permalink
    April 1, 2010 9:25 am

    Oh this stinks!

    The Church is just making it up as they go along and they look pathetic. I can’t believe I once looked up to these people. Let’s say even half of what the church is saying is true, they still allow such violence to continue for so long without it being handled at all? Oh, this really makes these execs look like a bunch of losers. The ONLY way this violence would have been allowed to continue on at all in ANY organization is if it came or was condoned from the TOP.

    I am so ashamed of them!!!

    • WomanSetFree permalink
      April 1, 2010 10:19 pm

      Mystery Guest

      This was my precise thought as I first explored all the data on the internet re: C0$.
      If I only bought 10% of what people attest to, it would be heinous!

  13. Just Me permalink
    April 1, 2010 11:19 am


    As analysis and writing goes, this post may be my favorite of all I’ve seen from you thus far. And I’ve seen a lot and liked it all.

    Excellent work!

    Just Me

  14. Theo Sismanides permalink
    April 1, 2010 11:48 am

    Excellent, very analytical post Jeff! I thank you for what you are doing for Scientology and all of its decent people!

  15. April 1, 2010 2:21 pm

    Jeff, That’s one of the best posts on the subject yet. This is a show stopper. No matter what is said or done, the men and women sitting in Anderson’s studio (arguing with him) admit they condoned 4 years of violence. That fact alone, and it is a FACT because all parties admit it, discredits them utterly. And when you subtract their BS out of the picture, the valid conclusion is exactly what Anderson expressed — the only explanation that makes sense is that it was David Miscavige who conducted the reign of terror.

    These guys are hanging themselves. You should also post this on Anderson Cooper’s blog.

    • Fidelio permalink
      April 1, 2010 9:35 pm

      Jeff, Chapeau !!! And Steve, exactly!
      ML, Fidelio

  16. Margaret permalink
    April 1, 2010 2:49 pm

    You just nail it in this post Jeff. Nice job.

  17. Eleanor Gehrig permalink
    April 1, 2010 2:50 pm

    Amen, brothah! I echo Craig’s sentiments–I used to revere Guillaume. No more.


  18. lunamoth permalink
    April 1, 2010 2:59 pm

    This is a good example of how the organization and it’s policies are inherently flawed. We had a very heated discussion a few weeks back about the problem with the c o s going deeper than just dm – the that something within the church’s structure/administration had to be conducive to someone like dm
    taking over or else he simply would never have succeeded.

    Here you have an example of how that works. Those inside the church are compelled to use the church’s justice system and are BARRED from using the justice system of the country of which they are citizens. In essence, to be a scientologist in good standing one must forfeit one’s constitutional rights. So if the system within the organization is flawed or has been disabled or sabotaged (or simply is itself imperfect and never really guaranteed justice at all), there is no recourse.

    You watch an assault at Int Base and can only write a friggin’ report. If no one acts on that
    report, what do you do? Write another report? If the person committing that assault is the highest
    exec in the organization, NOBODY even writes a report – who’s going to put in his ethics? Not to mention that the church’s policy apparently REQUIRES one to break the law; if you witness a felony and don’t report it to authorities, aren’t you then considered an accessory to the crime (a principle echoed in the church’s own report on knowledge reports)? What happens when someone on the outside gets wind of it? It presents an opportunity for the situation to be handled, but the participants, witnesses and anybody within a wide radius is required to lie. LRH policy on handling

    HERE is a flaw, and I believe it will prove to be a fatal flaw, within the organization and its policies, that explains how someone like miscavige can happen to a what is a good group of dedicated people.
    It’s likely not the only one, because from the looks of it, it’s going to be enough.

    • Rebecca-Tribecca permalink
      April 1, 2010 8:34 pm

      Lunamoth ~~

      You make some excellent points.
      Note that when the Church especially DM wants to be a bully, DM absolutely threatens criminal prosecution against Scientologists like he did at those infamous Mission Holders Conferences. He threatened them with jail time.

      He didn’t give a hoot in hell about sticking with internal handlings. When it is convenient, law enforcement is used.

      C of S have threatened using criminal prosecution here there and everywhere and even filed charges on occasion. I have seen the docs on the web. Heck, they used INTERPOL against their own Senior CS INT David Mayo who was the target of horrific DM cruelty after serving from Day 1 in the SO in 1968 and saving LRH’s life when he lay there comatose and Dr. Gene Denk said there was nothing further Denk could do medically.

      I am ashamed that I have contributed megabucks to what I now consider a criminal enterprise hiding under the guise of a “religion.”

      • AlexMetheny permalink
        April 2, 2010 12:51 am


        THAT was some awesome communication. That is a point that SHOULD be made at the next opprotunity by Jeff or Marty or whoever.

        That was looking at the whole scene and putting it all together…fantastic!!


  19. lunamoth permalink
    April 1, 2010 3:08 pm

    Please pardon my early morning failure to proof that last post.
    Should read:

    (paragraph 1) …THAT something within the church’s structure had to be conducive…

    (paragraph 3) …the church’s own POLICY on knowledge reports.

    (paragraph 4) It’s likely not the only one, BUT from the looks of it, it’s going to be enough.

    (sleepy) lunamoth

  20. Martin permalink
    April 1, 2010 3:24 pm

    Jeff, I see a great future for you as an investigating officer! Your logic and chasing down the truth is impeccable and flawless.

  21. April 1, 2010 6:50 pm

    Great Analysis Jeff! But the hyperlink on “bizarre story” seems clobbered, I believe the proper SPTimes article your referencing is here:

  22. Symbiote permalink
    April 1, 2010 8:14 pm

    Two points:
    1. I’d love to see/hear an analysis by someone like Tanya Reiman (spelling) the lady that does the “body language” bit on Bill O’Reiley’s show. She’s great at pointing out deceptive “tells” by people.
    2. After seeing these AC360 shows plus all the information available on the Internet plus my own 39+ years of experience with the subject of Scientology I have come to the conclusion that the Sea Org must go. I appreciate all the good former and current SO staff-victims of the corruption but cannot see ANY reason to trust that organization EVER again. Even after some theoretical reformation, I see absolutely no reason for its existence or continuation.

    I realize that’s a big subject and will no doubt be a topic of much debate. But I just don’t envision a future where I could ever believe in, respect or support the SO again.

    Not just after these most recent disgusting displays of outright corruption either. I’ve long felt uneasy about a fascist leaning management group running the CoS. Now I’m convinced.
    Don’t need it, don’t want it.

  23. freespirit permalink
    April 1, 2010 8:16 pm

    Thank you Jeff. Not only are you gracious but brilliant as well.

  24. EXILO permalink
    April 1, 2010 8:56 pm

    Wow Jeff,

    This article is so brilliant.DM is such a punk. He has destroyed countless lives but having others lie for him while he is hiding is as low as it gets. You are doing an awesome job exposing him.

  25. Linda permalink
    April 1, 2010 9:42 pm

    Thank you for this succinct break down of what we are seeing the videos.
    I have been sending this link to several people to help them tie all the videos together.

    Hurry up and write your book!.

    • AlexMetheny permalink
      April 2, 2010 12:56 am

      Yes Jeff…write a book and get some well deserved exchange for living through all of this bull shit. You deserve a lot of exchange for being in that group and trying to help, getting smashed up and now exposing the SP. I do not believe you are trying to destroy Scientology as they say. I know you are a great being and a genious. Thank you for what you have done and are doing. I would buy your book in a heart beat. I would probably keep stats on # of books sold too!! :-))


  26. Fellow Traveller permalink
    April 1, 2010 11:22 pm

    Let me add my accolades for such prowess. Words are insufficient for proper acknowledgment for both the done of the show as well as the analysis (post mortem?) above.

    And for what it’s worth, ya think anyone representing CoM there ever cleared up with Hubbard said about “handle”? I wish Mr Cooper could have asked with a straight face: “Oh, so you chose to handle internally, did you? How’s that been working out for you?”

  27. deb permalink
    April 3, 2010 2:59 am

    ED? RTC? Sea…such and such? hahahaha I just can’t stop laughing. I mean, it’s the year 2010, isn’t it? Do these f’n insane people really think the rest of the world believes their bullshit when they try to defend themselves? They become the most angry and disgusting examples of human beings whenever their legitimacy is challenged. I think the rest of us would like them more if they were making all their money selling drugs. At least drug dealers are still human when they get caught, and don’t act like 2 year-olds trying to get out of a situation by denial. Really hard to believe how messed up Travolta and Kirstey must have been to get involved with such shit!

  28. deb permalink
    April 3, 2010 3:03 am

    PS: Well, when the world comes to an end, Travolta and Cruise better have a really big airplane to carry Kirstey off with them into the sunset – hahahahaha
    These three celebrities are right down there with Charles Manson in my opinion. They are standing by and allowing peoples lives to be destroyed, while they strut around in their beautiful lives proclaiming to be such great people. They make me sick, and I hope they all rot in hell, cuz they will get there one day.

  29. April 4, 2010 3:14 pm

    Answering “David Miscavige wasn’t there” to “Why didn’t anyone call the police?” was such a ridiculous answer, I wished Anderson Cooper had immediately asked, “Why can’t the police be called if David Miscavige isn’t there?” I have no idea how they would have answered this one. I doubt they would have produced the “SUPPRESSIVE ACTS” policy letter to justify that covering-up is mandated by Scientology scriptures.

  30. GoNuclear permalink
    April 5, 2010 11:24 am


    You are just an incorrigible espee, or you would understand that considerations/postulates are SENIOR to MEST, and MEST, of course, includes APPARENT time lines and inconsistencies. What you fail to grasp, is, that the current chuch members, including the harpees, oops, er, I meant ex wives, were ALL telling the truth, which, of course, by definition, forwards the purpose of the dwarf, oops, er, I mean the Church of Scientology. In all your years of being a Sea Ogre I guess you never really did cognite on the truth and get with the program, sticking instead with some decadent WOG morality, which, of course, is just the R6 Bank getting in the way of forwarding the purpose of clearing the planet, one bank account at a time, er, oops, I meant one reactive bank at at time.


  31. maria permalink
    April 6, 2010 12:22 am

    You are gracious and excellent in the analysis. Brilliant!
    So many contradictions from them, which did not help DM case. They all ended up looking like fools, liars, and ridiculous, specially Starkey, who looked demented.

    • April 6, 2010 1:36 am

      Yeah Starky reminded me of Hannibal Lecter except he wasn’t as smart.

      Guillame reminded me of Queeg in the Caine Mutiny .

      The girls reminded me of the witches in Macbeth.

      They also reminded me of some of the cartoon characters in Looney Tunes.

      Especially Miscavige who reminds of Wile E Coyote going after the Road Runner.

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