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“The Whole Field is Disaffected”

November 17, 2009

And that’s not me saying it, that’s the MAA of one of the Sea Org Orgs in LA.

This same MAA reported that the majority of OT VIIs and VIIIs have now stopped supporting David Miscavige’s “Ideal Org” program.

A special unit has now been set up at the CLO specifically to handle disaffected public. And that’s a major undertaking as it is, according to their own reports, virtually the entire field.

The Dir I & R at the CLO couldn’t handle it. He got doors slammed in his face more times than he could count.

When one OT didn’t open her front gate to two CLO staff who came to her home, unannounced, they jumped the gate. When the OT objected, they reported her as “disaffected” and she was called in for an interview.

Staff members, wake up.

When the top level, OT Scientologists are mostly disaffected…

When top level former staff and Sea Org executives are disaffected…

When former productive Mission Holders are disaffected…

When former top auditors and C/Ses are disaffected…

…maybe, just maybe, there is something to be disaffected about.

Maybe there is something very, very wrong with David Miscavige’s Church of Scientology.

  1. Truthhurts permalink
    November 17, 2009 3:41 am

    That’s what they’ve made it come down to. You just can’t keep beating the money out of people and treating them poorly and expect them to give a crap.
    And that is DM’s Scientology.

  2. Miss Penguin permalink
    November 17, 2009 3:50 am

    Wow, I wonder how this special unit in the CLO plans to handle all these disaffected public. Any data on how they are going about it?

    • Sinar permalink
      November 17, 2009 4:20 am

      Probably with “Rollbacks” which would lead to David Miscavige. (Rollback: This type of experience includes (still conducted on the Scientology electro-psychometer) the “roll back” process. This is a procedure in which certain situations or events or moods are traced back in time during a one-on-one discussion. Who has said what to you? When? Where? And where could he have learned that from? Whom have you told? A systematic interrogation with the goal of rolling up all the threads of information which could eventually be damaging for Scientology. These are followed back until the origination point is found and the person or people concerned can be “handled” with other methods, from )

      • Former Officer permalink
        November 17, 2009 9:05 am

        This is exactly what they will do. First they will survey the staff for all the “enemy lines” and “backflash” they are getting from the public. Then they will order the specific public persons who uttered these “lines” to come in. They will then put these people on the meter to find out who has been in their ear and influencing them to think and say such things. Or they will go to the person’s house with a meter, muscle their way in and do the interview in the home. This goes on and on — rolling back many people — until they “find” the specific persons in the field who are source of the enemy lines. It’s called “roll back” because the procedure is meant to take these enemy lines and “roll them back” to the actual source that is spreading the lines. From the org’s viewpoint, they are looking for some evil horrible person in the field that has got everyone all stirred up. When they find the person, he or she will be publicly declared and everybody is supposed to be all relieved when they see where all this was coming from. In this case, such efforts are futile as of course it all goes back to how the org is treating the field with the new Miscavology way of delivering squirrel tech while invalidating and fleecing the public for more and more money. And of course RTC is always behind these off-policy rollback “field clean-ups.” It will turn into yet another way of blaming the public for their rejection of being abused by the organization. LRH said all org stats are internally caused. Well, that includes the stat of “number of disaffected public in the field.” It’s the org applying Miscavology to the field that is causing all this, so this action by the CLO is going to blow up very badly. If they think they have a mutiny on their hands now, they ain’t seen nothin’ yet….

      • Maria permalink
        November 17, 2009 5:52 pm

        Sinar, do you have any idea if “rollbacks” appear in any HCOBs or HCO PLs? Or is this just something that someone devised somewhere along the way?

      • SherryMK permalink
        November 17, 2009 6:28 pm

        Rollbacks were never meant for the public. You won’t find it in an HCOPL or HCOB. Here’s a blurp from a Jesse Prince interview.
        “Roll back is a process that I used to get daily dispatches on it from L. Ron Hubbard. What it was is a process to catch a spy within the organization. If
        you were having problems, or not doing exactly what you were told, you could
        be subjected to this roll back procedure, where they mention Sirhan Sirhan
        in this, where what is it? Somebody in the organization is saying something
        like a plant, and people who have duped by other people. So they get on a
        meter and do all of this fool around, to try to find out who’s influencing you,
        how were you duped away from what Scientology is telling you to do, as
        opposed to what you see in here. Then they go through this whole procedure, boiling it down to a person. Then that person, quite naturally gets exploded.
        At that point he is given intense sec-checking, he is put under stress to do
        physical work, to exhaust him. They are also put on a fore-shortened schedule. “

  3. lunamoth permalink
    November 17, 2009 4:53 am

    Really??? You’re not just teasing me, are you?? I’ve been waiting for this for so long! I almost can’t believe that an official source has actually acknowledged this.
    It’s been said out LOUD. It MUST be bad.

    What will happen next? Will their efforts to “handle” the field -which according to DM is “millions” of us- be successful? Or will there finally be a metamorphosis from a complacent, compliant and obedient field to a field of truly pan-determined and free-thinking and freely communicating individuals? Or will the field continue to empty? Or will Int now put the last remaining staff at Gold on the task of culling every friggin’ folder of every last remaining Scientologist for juicy black mail material? The suspense is killing me.

  4. November 17, 2009 5:01 am

    Any Evaluation of Scientology management would have to include this in the data trail under Pluspoints: Correct perception – Disaffected Field.

  5. November 17, 2009 5:14 am

    Okay, put it down. Another CLASSIC post from Rebel008! Every post you write is better than the last which is impossible, yet you keep doing it. This one has got to go down in history.

    About the MAA and the Dir I&R, one can only say, “Stupid is, as stupid does” meaning, judge someone’s intelligence by their deeds not their appearance. People who continue to follow DM’s insatiable and insane orders have before them a very hard lesson to learn. Some people just can’t seem to take a hint.

  6. Heather permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:17 am


  7. November 17, 2009 6:28 am

    First comes the realization that something is wrong, as Joe astutely noted correct perception i.e. “Disaffected Field”. What this is, believe it or not is the scene!!!!

    They haven’t even confronted what the situation is!!!!!

    In order to do a proper DS 15 i.e. Find the Situation they will need a properly trained HDSEC Graduate which…gosh..his majesty has busted off post!!!!

    This sorta like finding out the raft is sinking but some idiot threw out the bailing cans!!!!!

    In other words…glug….glug!!!!

    This whole effort to “handle” the field is like a desperate attempt to keep from drowning!!!

    Well like the Captain of the Titanic, he was at least able to see the tip of the iceberg before the ship went down!!!

    Thanks again Rebel for another concise summary on how bad its getting in the Church of Miscavigology!

  8. SherryMK permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:50 am

    Brilliant once again Rebel008. You are one well informed person.

    Every single day I hear from between 1 -3 people who read my KR or some other post of mine letting me know that they are fed up too and rallying in support. People I’ve known for years, dedicated Scientologists, friends I never would have expected to hear from. Incredible times we are in!

    One of my public friends just contacted me this evening to let me know some inside skinny confirming activity in other areas than LA exactly like this article you’ve written here. It seems that some very high level public are quite aware of the real goings on in Miscovology and the support has stopped.

    The walls are crumbling and there is nothing anyone can do about it really at this point. It’s way too far along. Truth and justice will prevail as it usually does in the end. A perfect time for Thanksgiving.

    • SherryMK permalink
      November 17, 2009 6:58 am

      P.S. that photo is amazing!!! You have just the best graphics Rebel008

  9. lunamoth permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:21 am

    Maybe we should suggest to Int management that if they are a little short-handed and their remaining staff is a little underqualified for this job, we know a few “independent contractors” who would be happy to come in, find the correct problem and clean it up for them.

    • the.believer permalink
      November 17, 2009 10:20 am

      LOL !!!!

      Yep. Maybe it is in the range of their acceptance-level…. 🙂

  10. Dagny permalink
    November 17, 2009 12:02 pm

    That newly formed unit at the CLO will need to have a good number of staff posted in it as the “disaffection” spreads a lot further than LA and surrounding areas.

  11. Panther permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:05 pm

    If you get a call from anyone at CF or “updating the mailing list” as I did not an hour ago, tell them you’re going independent. You will get a call back and the girl will tell you that there is another part of the form that some one else needs to go over with you. The some one else from OSA will tell you about the fastest expansion ever currently happening. You will also hear that Marty is dramatising HCOB The Criminal Mind and that those execs who have left are planning to take over the Church. If you start explaining how it is all but impossible to get standard tech in the CofS and that OT VIIIs are walking out in disgust and that the Chuch PR and the actual stats are diametrically opposed, don’t be surprised if the line suddenly goes dead – as just happened.

  12. Dagny permalink
    November 17, 2009 6:17 pm


    See “Ethics Office Hat” in the Intro to Scn Ethics Book.

    From what I understand outside of this mention the other hatting materials are not public issue.

  13. Barney Rubble permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:17 pm

    Re: Rollbacks, they are actually based on 2 LRH Advices from 1982. I used to do them a lot, and was subject to many myself. They will def. be used in this case I am sure. If you are pulled in for one, just say you read it in the newspaper. Don’t rat anybody.

  14. Mat Pesch permalink
    November 17, 2009 7:25 pm

    From what I am seeing, things have gone far beyond the point of no return. Setting up “handling units” in the different conts carrying “DA packs” filled with real-estate pictures of supposed “expansion” and demanding people report immediately for gestapo-like interrogation isn’t going to handle the field.

    Amy and I have had long-term, key contributing, highly trained and prossessed Scientologists contacting us, which I’m am sure is true for many of you reading this message board.

    These people have tried to persist through Miscavology the last few years mainly due to their desire to help others. They have had their certs canceled that they worked decades to get. They have paid for full retrains. They have had credit cards criminally run without their approval. They have been hounded and blackmailed into making large direct donations. They have gone through gross out tech intended for their money. They have had selectees badly mishandled and upset. They talk about the family members and friends that have been declared. They talk about not being able to do field auditing in their home in Clearwater due to the 20 mile rule. They talk about heavy ethics and justice being used to get and keep them on service. It goes on and on and on.

    When they finally can’t take it any more, they hear about ex- members speaking out. They privately look at the information. They realize it’s time to pull out. This is the point where much of the field is sitting. This is where they want advise and help. They ask ” What will happen to my selectees who are counting on me?” ” How do I keep relationships with friends and family?”

    They are slowly finding out that more and more of their friends and family members are sitting in the same situation. Meanwhile the church is interrogating, threatening and declaring with wild abandon while lying their ass off publicly, thus adding fuel to the fire.
    The church is destroying itself through its criminality and off-purposeness. A good index of this is the fact that yesterday, I was told that a local Clearwater real estate agent has been given 78 Scientology homes to sell in the last year.

    I’m glad Marty is setting himself up as a terminal to help those that have been abused and traumatized under DM’s suppressive regime. As the church increases its rate of self destruction we can all expect an increase in people coming to us for help.

    Governments are waking up in America and around the world. I invite you to watch the following request for justice in Australia made by Senator Nick Xenophon.


    • SherryMK permalink
      November 17, 2009 8:42 pm

      Thanks for your post Mat. It’s not surprising that you are being contacted by so many disillusioned public. I’m experiencing the exact same thing.

      Just a question. Are you stating here that 78 homes were “donated” to the church to raise money? Or is that how many Scientologists are “getting the hell out of dodge” and are selling their homes?

      • Mat Pesch permalink
        November 17, 2009 9:01 pm

        The 78 are getting the hell out of Dodge!

      • SherryMK permalink
        November 17, 2009 9:34 pm


  15. Mickey permalink
    November 17, 2009 8:05 pm

    /ˌdɪsəˈfɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dis-uh-fekt]
    –verb (used with object)
    to alienate the affection, sympathy, or support of; make discontented or disloyal: “The dictator’s policies had soon disaffected the people.”

    How apropos a definition. All the way down to the sample sentence!

    From this point forward, the better description of the field hereby stands transformed and ought to be called the “Unaffected Field”.

    • emldubu permalink
      November 18, 2009 2:57 am

      Unaffected, I love it!

  16. StarsAwait permalink
    November 17, 2009 9:01 pm

    When the CLO tries to handle you just give them the comprehensive version these websites. This will nullify them because they’ll see that you’re the one with the truth. Tell them you won’t talk to them unless they see the websites.

    • November 17, 2009 9:27 pm

      Even better StarsAwait.

      Ask them what LRH policy or program they are operating off of?

      That should really stump ’em!

      For instance “roll back” was never intended to be used on the field!

      If the field is muddied up they are supposed to be using ARCX handling. For instance TR 5N “What have we done wrong?”

      The fact is they are too afraid to ask that question because it will expose all the off policy and out tech arbitraries they have been operating on since Miscavige took over!

      Instead they’d rather not confront the scene that the field is “disaffected” because of this and instead pretend it is because of some “SP”.

      Well actually it is because of an SP but this SP is actually running the organization!!!!

  17. November 17, 2009 9:39 pm

    Rollback is the subject of several HCOBs that are restricted and so not available to the general public. It’s actually a very smart tech. It’s the way to trace back something to its source. LRH began developing it in 1982 and there are a lot more than 2 advices about it.

    It is simply a matter of taking a piece of information and asking the person who told it to you, who he or she heard it from. Then you go to THAT person and find out where he or she heard it from and so on back to the point where it won’t roll back any further. That’s the person who started it. That’s basically all there is to it.

    For years, people doing rollbacks simply used the LRH advices on it. Then RTRC compiled them into HCOBs in the early 90s.

    Right now Int/OSA/DM & Co. are undoubtedly trying to assemble a picture of the “network” out here in the field that is aiming to take down the church. In some office there are huge charts listing out who is connected to who and the few people (remember, OSA has been decimated in recent years) engaged in this effort are quickly realizing that things are spiraling out of control. For them it’s Warp Speed Whack-A-Mole 24/7. Those situations are not fun until the sheer randomity overwhelms you and you go into the glee of insanity and then, because you’ve stopped ridging, you can sort of enjoy it.

    Unless you’re out here helping to create it on a hobby basis.

    • fishdaddy permalink*
      November 17, 2009 10:52 pm

      The Rollback system has several flaws. One is that staff soon learn not to be the last person on the chain. If a bit of “Black PR” is traced to a specific staff member, they will find someone else to pass it back to so they are not found as the initial source of it. So it tends to become a rolling blame game. Secondly, the possibility that criticism of a senior Scientology executive is actually justified is not part of the equation. Whatever its original intention. Rollback is now used to track down and quash any criticism of those in power. Some might say that was always its purpose.

      • November 17, 2009 11:47 pm

        Funny fishdaddy whenever I got RBed and they’d ask me who said? I’d say Ron said? 🙂

        Turns out that Ron was the biggest source of BPR on my case 😉

      • John Doe Lurker permalink
        November 20, 2009 4:02 am

        In my experience with Rollback (c.1982) even in those earliest incarnations, it was evident that no Senior Organization would/could ever be found to be at fault. When I related an account of a clearly off-policy action done at Gold by ASI, my interviewer(s) ceased being Questioners and turned into Vehement Defenders of the actions ASI had taken. You really felt alone in those interviews.

        I dreaded more and more “getting called up to qual.” The interviewers looked similarly miserable and overwhelmed. Even back then, it felt like some Totalitarian tool.

        I can’t IMAGINE this action being attempted on the field.

    • November 17, 2009 11:23 pm

      Hi Joe I remember the advices on RB because I worked in NWC for a while back in the 80’s. It is brilliant and amazing tech, yet like any tech it can be misapplied!

      Another RD that came out of that area of research was the Truth Rundown which is also restricted and the more familiar False Purpose Rundown.

      However, at that time the tech was used internally within the organization to locate possible infiltration. The tech was in fact developed after the debacle with the GO to locate possible plants which may seem paranoid until you’ve actually located one or two of them!

      More on this is covered in the HCOPL Counter Espionage.

      Anyway as far as I know it was never intended to be used broadly on the field, being “limited dist” and all that would be like opening a Pandora’s box! Not to mention the fact that it is the wrong tech to apply on an ARCXn field since its ethics tech! Aside from the fact that “the field” or the “disaffected field” are too broad a target. This is where you get into the very apt analogy of the wack-a-mole scenario.

      References are HCOPLs Ethics and Franchise, Field Ethics and Ethics-Quality of Service, just to mention a few.

      However, let’s get back to the fact that this tech is being grossly misapplied. Many of those supposedly trained on ‘roll back” have no idea what Black Propaganda is thus how can they distinguish between valid Black Propaganda or PR and a valid compliant or upset. Never mind that any goal that is contrary to Miscavige’s twisted concept of “command intention” is considered BPR. This has gotten so bad that I saw the reports on one poor girl being “roll backed” because she had a goal to be a dancer and she was devoting a lot of her time to studying dance instead of being on course full time!!

      It like the Truth Rundown, the FPRD and Sec Checking in general is not being used as they were originally intended. To create a security perimeter but as a method of outright oppression to keep anyone who complains about the abuses of policy and tech and abuses in general in line!

      I’ve personally experienced and witnessed people being “roll backed” on KRs and other reports they had written!!!

      So Joe I’m not disputing the fact that it is valid and workable when used properly for its intended purpose but like any other tech it can also misused as a means of oppression which is exactly what they are doing with it!

      Technically its current use would fall under the category of Black Dianetics.

      • Mickey permalink
        November 18, 2009 1:44 am

        RJ…. could be called “Reverse Rollbacking” like all the other reversals of tech being misused with an end game in mind of control and manipulation.

      • November 18, 2009 5:00 am

        Agreed, 100%. It’s not the tech it’s what each of us does with it. You can use a hammer to build a house or knock someone’s block off. Purpose is everything.

    • John Doe Lurker permalink
      November 18, 2009 3:03 am

      “For them it’s Warp Speed Whack-A-Mole 24/7”

      Dan, you are the best! Laughing my ass off on that. Have soooo been there.

  18. Ex-RPFer permalink
    November 17, 2009 10:11 pm

    I will be ready when they knock on my door. RB’s can be a good tool but I noticed when I was on the RPF that no Black PR could ever “really” come from an Exec. Eventually you “convinced” yourself that you made the Black PR and spread it yourself. So of course no one else could be doing anything wrong except all of the sludge that was on the RPF. Too bad that 95% of the people on the PAC RPF didn’t belong there. I added it up once, 95% of the people were there for Out 2D in some form. Per the FO Out 2D = beaching. But no one was ever beached for that as far as I know. They were shuffled off to the RPF and kept there for years until they were “Better”. So even the RPF is being misused.

    • November 18, 2009 5:03 am

      Yeah, the TRD was a disaster in every case I ever saw. It just didn’t work well. Politics and auditing don’t seem to mix well. It collapses the first and third dynamics.

      • November 18, 2009 5:29 am

        Yeah I agree Joe, I never saw a good result on the RD either, unless you call demanding a Com ev after “completing” it a “good result”!!! Most everyone else caved in 😦

        Much of it was the fact that those who were culling “BPRLs” didn’t have a clue what Black PR was!!!

        The final step which was never in the actual HCOB that called for the person to make amends for “spreading Black PR” in other words grovel. My feeling that this was a step added by Davy. Along with the fact that it was always done as an HCO Confessional which again wasn’t in the HCOB!!!!

        Thus making the altered Rundown the perfect medium to make someone wrong while giving them a bunch of wrong indications. In other words a rundown that only Miscavige would love!!!!

        Talk about reverse processing!

    • Mike Hobson permalink
      November 18, 2009 6:34 pm

      Additional note regarding Sea Org “Out-2D” and “beaching”:

      According to reports I have seen from various S.O. old-timers on Mick Wenlock’s XSO Yahoo Group, “Out-2D” was originally only charged for attempted or accomplished sexual activities with minors (of which there were only a very few instances).

      “Beaching” meant being escorted off the ship with their gear piled on the dock at the next port -with getting back home the offender’s problem.

      AFAICT, even in the Sea Org, Ron Hubbard never meant to interfere with the normal course of human love and sexual relations except where such activities actually became harmful to the group (ie; somebody trying to steal somebody else’s spouse/partner or the like).

      Michael A. Hobson

  19. Barney Rubble permalink
    November 18, 2009 2:41 am


    We may have been on the RPF the same time, when I was there it was in the 90’s and 200 were crammed into the 2nd Floor Leb Hall. You’re right a huge amount were there for suppossed out 2D, or perhaps a minor infraction, of course with no prior ethcs gradients. To see someone go via Comm Ev F&R’s was like a shock to the system.

    Back to RB’s, thanks Joe, I remember noe that you mentioned the later version coming out in HCOB form, it can be a great technical tool. The problem is most execs think any disagreement is ” Black PR’ or = dissafection.

    It will be impossible to Rollback who was the source that gave idea that COB has lost his mind, because this is not “Black PR” per real definition.

  20. TRUTH permalink
    November 18, 2009 5:17 am

    Thank you Rebel008! Great post. This is really happening and I am having a lot more reaches from those “disaffected” Scientologists.
    Miscavology is threatening people with SP declare and enforcing disconnections, just because these people are questioning the CoS for their off-policy and out-tech.

    Well, our Independent Scietnology group is growing while DM (SP) is shattering.

    What a great Thanksgiving we will all have!!!!!:)

  21. Jim Logan permalink
    November 18, 2009 5:00 pm

    I did the TRD on the RPF in the late 80s. I vaguely recall it frankly as anything I had on it is long since gone. Me and my twin didn’t Q&A with stuff that didn’t fit the materials. If it was off-policy or out-tech then it didn’t ‘rollback’ and there was nothing false to handle with the TRD. I seem to recall we ended up assuming a larger sphere of responsibility for truth. It was just after this that both of us back on post started to nail DM for real. He declared us both too.

    It’s a fact, the intention behind the use of any tech is key. My TRD, as I recall, enabled me to distinguish the wheat from the chaff, and soon after DM became a glaring outpoint by observation.

  22. Ex-RPFer permalink
    November 18, 2009 10:39 pm

    Barney it is possible we may have crossed paths there on the 2nd floor of Leb Hall. In one of the tiny rooms crammed with 20 or more people. But that is another story for another time. The TRD is most definitely being misused. I know at CC they started putting any staff on it that weren’t towing the line 100%. Or if your area was in trouble your whole division could be put on it. It wasn’t there to help at all but to weed out the bad seeds so they could be dealt with. To the best of my knowledge LRH never designed an auditing rundown to hurt or punish anyone. But I saw the tech consistently being used for that purpose solely. It pains me to remember things that I myself did to hurt people using that. It was wrong. This is why I am also disgusted that it is still going on. And that people are so blind to it even when it is being done to them. I guess it is like the battered wife who thinks that every time her husband says he will never hit her again she believes him and thinks that if she is a better wife it won’t happen again. And then one day he beats her to death. I hope more people get out safely before it is too late.

  23. November 19, 2009 12:09 am

    Ever hear of a “broken brand”?

    A “broken brand” is an interesting marketing phenomena.
    It is an ARCX of great magnitude and is not fixed with PR or ethics handlings.

    There once was a car called the Yugo which had everything going for it when it launched, but buyers found out that it was a really bad deal.
    It was recently voted the worst car of the Millenium.

    A brand is a “promise to deliver” and when the delivery does not match the promise, it is almost impossible to repair the upset.

    We were part of a group that set high expectations and didn’t meet them.
    In fact the technology that freed many of us has now been altered in an effort to cave us in and suppress us.

    All of the PR and threat capabilities of the CofS are failing to convince buyers to sign up for more services.

    The brand of the CofS and of Scientology itself may be irreversibly harmed.

    Time will tell.

  24. StarsAwait permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:32 am

    Mike, “Heavy Petting” is how it’s stated in the FO. That’s the line not to be crossed before marriage, from what I recall. Sounds like the info on Mick’s site might be misleading regarding that. I’d post the ref. here if I had it.

    • fishdaddy permalink*
      November 19, 2009 5:16 am

      It’s gone far beyond that. Even “hanging out” or “flirting” are forbidden in the SO these days, even if there is no physical contact. At the Int Base, my future wife and I got into a lot of trouble for just talking with each other, as she was in the middle of a divorce. We got publicly chastised at a muster, several times. We ended up literally not speaking to each other for a year while she finalized her divorce.

    • Mike Hobson permalink
      November 25, 2009 6:10 pm


      My post says “originally”. There is earlier Sea Org / Sea Project track than the issue date of that particular Flag Order.

      My sources were there at the time. Where you?

      Michael A. Hobson

  25. Barney Rubble permalink
    November 19, 2009 4:06 am

    Hey Ex RPFer,

    Yeah we know what one and another are talking about here. Crazy, crazy.

    I hope you have moved on from the stupid RPF, (I did it three times) and dealt with it. I have, though it’s taken a while. Best of future luck to you.

    BTW, the dorm on 2nd floor Leb Hall had 40 people sleeping and snoring in the same room, when I was there. All bunks were 5 high. It sure was hard to go for a drip in the middle of the night, when you were are the highest bunk.

    • Jim Logan permalink
      November 19, 2009 4:52 pm

      I slept on the floor in the sump room at Cedars while in the RPF’s RPF. Humans would have been welcome. I had one eye open on ‘rat patrol’ every night. Ahh, those were the days. I’m happy as hell that today I have no charge on any of this. It’s outrageous but true.

  26. Lulu Belle permalink
    November 19, 2009 12:00 pm

    When I was on staff in LA in the 80s and 90s, the LA field was, even then, quite disaffected.

    I remember when there was a girl put on a project to recover all the Class VIIIs in the field and get them into the org for a retread. She was routinely hung up on when she would call these public. She said the VIIIs were the most disaffected public she’d ever run across.

    I remember Randall Reece being sent on a project for months to find and handle all the “black tag” Solo NOTs audtors in the field who had been off the level forever. A very large percentage of Solo NOTs auditors were in this category.

    Even then, for every “on lines” public, there were at least 5 (probably more) who were “under the radar”. Off on “mid KTL review” or mid some correction action where they “ran out of money” or “Mid Pro-TRs so they couldn’t get auditing”. Etc. etc. Always some excuse why they hadn’t stepped foot into an org for months or years.

    Needing to be connected because of business, friends or family, but not actually *doing* anything.

    If it was that bad then, I can just *imagine* how it is now.

    What hell it must be to be a call in person or a reg in a service org now.

  27. Dean Fox permalink
    November 20, 2009 10:35 am

    Has anyone seen these videos by Aaron Saxton on YouTube posted yesterday. I was blown away by this man’s candour with respect to his experiences in Scientology’s Messengers both as a victim and a perpetrator of many of the abuses the organisation is accused of.

    Aside from an interview spread over 7 gripping videos, you have to watch all 7 because they content just gets better, there is also a message to Rathbun and Rinder.

    • G. Schutte permalink
      November 23, 2009 1:24 am

      Tried to watch the video but it said it removed by the user, any idea as to what happened?

  28. Barney Rubble permalink
    November 22, 2009 2:10 am


    Oh yes the sump room at the Complex. I remember it well.

    Wind the clock back a bit, that is where Bobby Shaffner, cut the tip of his right finger in 1978. An earlier time I was there on the RPF, of course that incident happened because he had been up for 36 hours. Shaffner was later killed in I think 86, when he was hit by an LA Bus while riding as a PAC Security Guard on SUnset Blvd. RIP.

    I did not know you were there PAC ROF in the 80’s.

    • Jim Logan permalink
      November 22, 2009 5:03 pm

      It was a short stint as I got a reprieve and went back to Int. Thank freakin’ God (actually thanks to the Review Comm Ev who applied policy).

  29. Barney Rubble permalink
    November 22, 2009 7:40 pm


    Life was easier on the PAC RPF in the 80’s, as you could actually finish it in a year, it got way worse in the 90’s. You lucked out.

  30. G. Schutte permalink
    November 28, 2009 6:00 am

    Looks like a goon from Frankenstein, honestly, hone up on your PR, it doesn’t help the cause, which is sorely needed now in this most important of times. I’m not OSA in a 1.1 activity, just trying to give a tip to help turn the scales, get a better pic.

  31. Vicky Slyter permalink
    November 28, 2009 6:55 am

    I LOVE the picture. It shows a great sense of humor and insouciance, something which was so suppressed and discouraged while in the church. Rebel008, your “PR” doesn’t have to be “honed” because you are not marketing anything – just running a great, informative website. Lighten up, G. Schutte who is “not OSA or engaging in a 1.1 activity”. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Read the content.

  32. lunamoth permalink
    November 28, 2009 3:59 pm

    Rebel 008, I Just want to say how much I have been enjoying your blog since I found it , about 5 weeks ago now. I have had an enormous shift in viewpoint from this site, as well as from Marty’s and a couple of others. I appreciate so much the intelligence, sensitivity and integrity I find here, as well and the insight into what is a very complex (unnecessarily so) situation with the c of s. I’ve learned things I on these sites that I was never able to learn in my prior 31 years of being a Scientologist. I was in the church in the 80’s and see the similarities between what we are facing now and what was going on then, but there are also differences, critical differences, and one of these is the existence of the internet. I have come to believe that this one element alone is going to make the crucial difference in how this situation plays out. I believe we truly “shatter”this suppression. Thank you for sharing what you know, for the benefit of your experience and viewpoint, and for putting this venue here so that a group can grow around it.

  33. November 28, 2009 5:08 pm

    Rebel 008, you are performing an extremely valuable service with this site.

    I had quietly disconnected and was vegetating in the field for 14 years when my step daughter sent me a link to the videos on the site three weeks ago.

    After watching videos by top scientologists who are speaking out against criminal CofS practices, I started reading every article I could find on the Internet.

    In the past few weeks, I have discovered that I really knew little about the CofS even though I was actively on lines as an auditor for 20 years. Through your blog and the dozens of others, I am finally in present time regarding the actual state of Scientology and the church itself.

    Thanks for providing the stimulus that finally propelled me into action.

    I realize that there are many hats to be worn in the independent scientology arena. Some are working to repair the church, some are working to remove the alterations of technology, some are trying to free imprisoned staff.

    Others are delivering standard services under a whole new paradigm (no coercion, no arbitrary regging) and are evidently succeeding.

    I see other hats that can be worn and have picked up the task of providing hope to ex-staff and others with failed purposes so that they can be revitalized and become productive again.

    To that end I have created a website which discusses the wins and other discoveries that I and others have encountered through the use of Scientology technology. My intended product is revitalized auditors and PCs.

    So far, it is going quite well and I am planning to establish a field practice with the same goals in the near future.

  34. Barney Rubble permalink
    December 4, 2009 6:36 am

    Old Auditor,

    I believe you and I are indeed alike. We share about the same time track.

    I hope you like myself am being cautious about this, it’s a long and carefull process.

    Likewise so far and so good -so far.

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