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Here Come the Thought Police

October 15, 2009

Reports from OT VIIIs who have recently left David Miscavige’s Church paint a picture of increasing desperation, oppression, and the rise of Gestapo-like tactics to squeeze more and more money out of those remaining.

Despite the fact that LRH specifically forbade fundraising and told orgs to stick to selling services, David Miscavige’s fundraising activities, for the IAS and for his “Ideal” Orgs, have now become the mainline activity of the Sea Org and Scientology staff. Staff are now told that they are “double hatted” as IAS reges, an excuse to pull them off their assigned duties and into the service of Miscavige’s money-making machine.

And the entire Ethics apparatus of the Church has now been suborned into the service of that same money-machine. Public are called in to “Ethics interviews” that are nothing more than “extortion interviews.” If you’re called in for an interview these days, here are some of the metered questions you’ll be asked, according to those who have had the experience:

How do you feel about the IAS?

How are your finances?

Do you have any off-shore accounts?

And if you don’t “move up to your next level of IAS status” (give them more money)? Then you’ll face Conditions, Ethics actions, and even the loss of your eligibility. If you don’t donate everything they want, you are considered to be in the “enemy camp” or are considered to have “enemy lines.”

Then there are more questions. About your friends, your 2D, your children:

Who are your friends?

Do you have a 2D? a boyfriend/girlfriend? Seeing someone?

What do you do on your free time?

Who are you in comm with?

Are you in touch with disaffected people? Disillusioned? Disenchanted?

Have any of your friends expressed any criticism of the Church or the IAS? Report them. Has your spouse ever complained about the Church? Report him or her. Have your children ever been critical? Your parents? Report them.

Sound familiar?

In George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, he describes the Thought Police, whose job it is to uncover and punish thoughtcrime and thought-criminals, using informants and and omnipresent surveillance to find and eliminate members of society who were capable of the mere thought of challenging ruling authority. The government attempts to control not only the speech and actions of its citizens, but also the thoughts of its subjects, labeling unapproved thoughts with the term thoughtcrime.

In Miscavige’s Brave New World of Scientology, any criticism of his regime or its money-making apparatus is considered thoughtcrime.

Anyone who objects to the current climate of fear and extortion is guilty of thoughtcrime.

And that’s why more and more OTs and other Scientologists are voting with their feet, walking out of Miscavige’s oppressive Church.

  1. sherrymk permalink
    October 15, 2009 7:15 pm

    Great post. I am astounded by what is being done to the public, especially the OTVlls and Vllls with these totally off policy “interviews”. I also heard from Mary Jo that Rollbacks are now being done on the public. (NEVER intended for public).

    It is of interest, that these questions and types of interviews violate. HCOPL 1 APril 1981R revised 1991 “Interviews”. This PL was actually revised again more recently to change the section on Ethics/MAA Interviews and how to do one. I had a copy when I was the Tech Sec at Pasadena Org. Instead of using the interviews for the purposes LRH intended, DM has changed this PL TWICE to more suit his particular brand of “interrogation”. For those of you who still have your OEC vols, the 1991 version is in Vol. 1, page 824. If someone has the actual 1981 PL it could be compared to the 1991 version and more recent version to see the alterations.

  2. concernedScn permalink
    October 15, 2009 7:59 pm

    Fantastic blog. So true, so true.

    Also have heard from OT 8’s who have had these “regges” show up at houses, jump over gates, slide into houses through the back door and refuse to leave until donations are given, knock on front doors incessantly until you open the door and allow them to come inside the house and reg you, etc.

    It’s amazing that these people think LRH intended it this way and that they’re doing all of this to “save” the planet.

  3. October 15, 2009 9:14 pm

    He started using these tactics on any Auditors who didn’t see the “virtue” in the his Grossly Altered Tech or GAT and wrote reports about how it violated various HCOBs and PLs. Next thing you know there was a “Special Project” to handle the dissenters that included being “Roll Backed” on the reports we had written (hysterical by the way because most of them would “Roll Back” to Ron, LRH or the Commodore etc 🙂 ) then they put many of us on the “Truth” Rundown to find out what “overt” we committed prior to observing these obscene and flagrant violations of Standard Tech and Policy that they now labeled as “Black PR”.

    Originally ethics was intended to get tech in but its whole purpose at this point was actually to drive it out which is why many of us called this suppressive activity “reverse ethics”!

    What they are doing now is pretty much expected as a “handling” because even the untrained public are you could say “cogniting” that whatever dear leader is doing has nothing to do with Scientology and are starting to become shall we say restive, recalcitrant and uncooperative or as they say “disaffected” meaning that they’ll have to turn the screws even harder and use more “enhanced interrogation methods”.

    So what they are doing now is pretty much expected, since Davy has pretty much wiped out the Tech. All he can do now is apply heavy “ethics”.

  4. Hubbardianen permalink
    October 15, 2009 9:55 pm

    Looks like the CoS has turned into some kind of Communist-dictature. Totally unbeliavable. Lucky for us we have the internet and can spread the words like a wildfire.

  5. Ex-RPFer permalink
    October 16, 2009 1:20 am

    It is getting grosser by the minute. Just a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine was visiting his mother to attend his grandmothers funeral. The day of the funeral after they came home, IAS reges and Michael Roberts showed up at their door to “talk” to them. Additionally this couple had just donated a few months back to get up to their next status. Seems even grieving for a loved one gets no respect now from the IAS.

  6. TRUTH permalink
    October 16, 2009 4:52 am

    This is a GREAT post. Thank you!


    You said “For those of you who still have your OEC vols, the 1991 version is in Vol. 1, page 824. If someone has the actual 1981 PL it could be compared to the 1991 version and more recent version to see the alterations.”

    I’d love it if you could post the 1981 PL since I don’t have that version of the PL. I can then send both versions (1991 & 1981) to all the on-line Scientologists and let them see the alteration and think for themselves.

    Thank you tons! :0)

  7. October 16, 2009 5:24 am

    Actually Interviews is also an HCOB. HCO BULLETIN OF 1 APRIL 1981 to be precise.

    This what it says in the original about Ethics Interviews: (begin fair use quote)

    ETHICS OFFICER/MAA INTERVIEWS: The Ethics Officer or the MAA in a Sea
    Org Org conducts ethics interviews as an HCO function, gets PTS (Potential Trouble
    Source) A to J checks done and sometimes does full PTS interviews.
    Students or pcs, where out-ethics is obvious or suspected, are interviewed to
    determine the extent and nature of the outness so the correct ethics gradient can be
    applied. The interview should include bringing the person to an understanding of ethics
    and the conditions and guiding him through any needed ethics handling cycles or
    correct application of the conditions.
    Whether or not the interview is done metered depends on what type of ethics
    action the Ethics Officer is doing. For example, if he were trying to find out who stole
    something, he had better do this on a meter to ensure that he gets the data and does
    not miss withholds or clean cleans. Any Ethics Officer must be meter trained and be
    able to do a correctly metered ethics interview when it is called for. Ideally he should
    be able to do HCO Confessionals too. An Ethics Officer must ensure that ethics is
    gotten in to the degree that tech can then go in.
    The PTS interview is given to determine whether or not the person is PTS and if
    so, the type of PTSness which is in need of handling. It is done on a meter with all
    reads marked, on a pc or student who is manifesting symptoms of PTSness, such as
    becoming sick, losing gains or roller-coastering. The interview may be given in HCO or
    by a classed auditor, but in any case it must always be done by a person who knows his PTS tech well, who has good TRs and knows 2-way comm and who has been
    trained to operate a meter properly.
    The pc or student will often require more handling of the PTS condition after the
    interview, but it is through the interview that it is determined what type of PTSness (if
    any) is involved to be handled.
    If a pc is mid-auditing, the MAA or Ethics Officer should always check with the
    pc’s C/S before doing a PTS interview or any metered ethics action. (Ref. HCOB 8
    March 71R, C/S Series 29R, CASE ACTIONS, OFF LINE)
    Full worksheets are always kept for any PTS interview and are sent to the
    person’s pc folder. The worksheets of an ethics interview are filed in the person’s
    ethics file and a copy of these, or a report on the interview, is sent to the person’s pc or
    student folder.
    Ethics and PTS interviews when given to pcs and students who are on lines on
    signed up and paid for services are not charged for.

    (end fair use quotes)

    Gawd knows what they call an “ethics interview” these days with Squirrelly Davy running the show but I betcha any relationship the above is purely accidental!

    • sherrymk permalink
      October 16, 2009 5:43 am

      Thank you RJ! The 1991 issue totally altered this original one and it was even further grossly altered in the later more recent version.

  8. TRUTH permalink
    October 16, 2009 8:00 am

    Thank you RJ. Wow! What a gross alteration DM has done on this reference so it can suit his purpose (extorting more money from the parishioners and use the O/W to blackmail them).

    Revised 17 Jan 1991
    (begin fair use quote)
    “ ETHICS OFFICER/MAA INTERVIEWS: An ethics interview is an interview done by the Ethics officer or the MAA on a student, preclear or staff member. He uses Confessionals, conditions, investigation tech and PTS/SP tech in order to get ethics in in his org or area so that Scientology can be done.

    The Ethics Officer acts on indicators and has a primary responsibility to keep trouble from blowing up on org lines – he is supposed to catch things before they blow up. An Ethics Officer has to know what the scene is and be able to act. With no nonsense. He is there to get ethics in so that tech can go in.

    Often the job of the Ethics Officer entails an ethics interview to find out what the exact situation is with an individual and get it handled.

    An example would be someone who is goofing and in trouble for not completing cycles of action. The Ethics Officer, upon checking the ethics files of this person, interviewing him and learning that this was the situation, would know that the probability is that the ethics handling needed is for going past misunderstoods in their work. With Ethics in, the person could be word cleared, the MUs found and he would then be able to complete the cycle of action.

    A key tool of the Ethics Officer is the ethics conditions and their formulas, as contained in the book Introduction to Scientology Ethics. Where a person has earlier undone or messed up conditions, this can act as a serious block to getting ethics in and would require handling with HCO PL 19 Dec. 82R II, RE-PAIRING PAST ETHICS CONDITIONS.
    Another vital tool of the Ethics Officer is getting a person freed of his overts and withholds. A person Manifesting O/Ws (natter, blowy, critical of the organization, etc.) must have those O/Ws pulled. An important part of an Ethics Officer’s job is hearing Confessionals and he must get meter trained and be able to do confessionals where needed. Another way to get O/Ws cleaned up is to make the person write up all his overts and withholds and turn them in to the Ethics Officer (who would also ensure that end ruds were done).

    An Ethics officer never spends any time sitting and arguing with someone. He simply puts the person on a meter and assesses a Trouble Area Questionnaire.(Ref: HCO PL 9 Apr. 72R CORRECT DANGER CONDITION HANDLING)
    PTS interviews are a frequent duty of the Ethics Officer and he must be fully trained in the complete Tech of handling PTSness contained in the PTS/SP Course.
    If a pc is midauditing, the Ethics Officer or MAA should check with the pc’s C/S before doing a PTS interview or Trouble Area Questionnaire. (Ref HCOB 13 Oct. 82, C/S Series 116, ETHICS AND THE C/S).”
    (end fair use quotes)

  9. Jim Logan permalink
    October 16, 2009 3:50 pm

    The fundamental text on Scn justice is the Manual of Justice. In it, under a section entitled Points to Establish under point 1 it states: “Whas is the crime? This must be established first. It must be something that can be phrased in – a sentence or two. It must be unacceptable to the general good of all. lt must contain actual injury to someone or something. And the criminal is usually rewarded in some fashion by someone or even by perverted satisfaction. ”

    Now, what exactly is the actual, not dubbed-in, not theoretical, not potential, not imaginary, not ‘thought’, injury that is to be considered?

    “Actual injury”.

  10. All the Young Dudes permalink
    October 16, 2009 9:10 pm

    Yes recently spouse and I (both OTs-spouse new OT8) recently got a frosty call from the Flag MAA to come in for a metered interview because we had KRs (I received one because I had the nerve to comment on the Basics and DM but we never received any other KRs). The word rollback was mentioned when spouse got on the phone. Wow what ARC and NO we will NEVER go to your damn interview. To think we paid for this Gestapo-like abuse!!

    The love left that church a long time ago…..

  11. TRUTH permalink
    October 16, 2009 11:06 pm

    All The Young Dudes,

    You are doing the right thing by ignoring their frosty call. They are using this trick on many public, especially on OTs.

    Rebel008 has a great LRH quote up here as a comment. I am sending it to my OT friends and getting amazing floating TA reaction. 6 OTs responded and are in agreement. One in particular is now asking more and more on what can be done about it.

    Thanks Rebel008! Your LRH quotes are always very useful and timely.

  12. Casey permalink
    October 17, 2009 2:45 pm

    This would almost be laughable if it wasn’t so sad. They would have a hard time getting over my fence and besides they are all packing out here!

    you can see, smell and taste the franticness of it all.

  13. October 18, 2009 8:31 am

    You know, if there are people still in who have never given the concept of disaffected/disillusioned/disenchanted much thought, this will get them thinking about it. That’s what happened to me in the last org where I was on lines. The D of T had to interview me before accepting me on course, and one question stuck in my mind — something like “do you have any disagreements with Scientology the way it’s being applied today?”

    I thought to myself, “Huh? You mean it’s being applied differently today?” I had never even thought about it until that moment. But from that moment on, I began to pay particular attention to “the way it’s being applied today.” LOL!

    Shortly after that, I was outta there.

    So keep up the good work, Mr. Miscavige.

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