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Another one out

October 7, 2009

Just heard from an OT, currently on VII, who has quit Miscavige’s church. Same story – more and more demands for money, no attention on any real gains. And then he found about about the abuse at the highest levels of the Church.

  1. October 7, 2009 9:43 pm

    Yes Davy’s lil’ house of cards is starting to collapse!

  2. thatsnotmyname permalink
    October 7, 2009 10:41 pm

    That’s good news; every one woken up is progress. How many VIIs and VIIIs is that altogether now?

  3. Koos permalink
    October 7, 2009 11:37 pm

    This is wonderful news!

  4. TRUTH permalink
    October 8, 2009 1:38 am

    Great News!

    Only those OTs who have integrity and will not stand Miscavology would leave.

    A new OTVIII friend of mine had to pay $60,000 in “book donation” as part of his small Ethics handling at Flag last year.

    Another friend auditing on OTVII accidently dropped a page of his solo auditing out of his folder in his home office and later on he corrected his error and put it back into his folder in the safe. He immediately reported it to his Flag D of P, he was then forced to pay a few thousands dollar of donation for going “out-security”, which he did and continued with his auditing.

    Micavology is no longer about Scientology but it is a money making business.

  5. October 8, 2009 2:23 am

    This may seem off topic maybe not but I just picked up a copy of “Auditor” magazine (which is now smaller than one of those bulk mail flyers now and now on cheap news print) and the Clear tally world wide is now less than 20 grand actually 19,943!

    I remember back in the mid 80’s when the number was close to 40,000!

    Remember this is a supposed to be a cumulative stat!

    So one has to ask what the heck they did with the other 20,000?

  6. October 8, 2009 4:46 pm


    in 1980 there were 50000 clears worldwide ! we lost about 30 000 of them !

    • October 8, 2009 10:41 pm

      Thanks for the correction LO 🙂

      Yikes !!!!!!

      Miscavige has managed to misplace 30000 clears!

      Holy (various expletives)!!!!!!!

  7. Rebel Too permalink
    October 9, 2009 4:38 am

    What Miscabbage did with the other “clears” is declare them all “unclear” in the late ’90s. And don’t forget all the OT V, Vlls and Vllls that are actually not clear either.

  8. Say What? permalink
    October 9, 2009 8:25 am

    A close relative on mine who was new OTVIII in 2007 has left completely although this person hasn’t been reported as out. (Over a year ago).

  9. TRUTH permalink
    October 10, 2009 7:18 am

    I am one of those Clears who have been uncleared by Miscavology’s Flag auditors in the year 2000 after spending over $50,000 at Flag in less than a month doing different programs completely irrelevant to my Clear cycle. Before I left the Flag base, the Vise President asked me if I got the product I came to Flag for and I replied “No”!
    She told me that I should stay longer so they can handle my BPC and ARCXs. I replied “What ARCXs and BPC? I just don’t believe I can get any product here at Flag”.

    She couldn’t answer my question so she signed my routing out form and I left.

    In one of my sessions at Flag, I told my auditor (Bonnie) that I know I am Clear. She abruptly replied ” You can not be a Clear, you may think you are, but nothing you say shows you are a Clear.”

    This point came up later in my session with a different auditor, but the auditor insisted that Bonnie (my auditor) has missed a withhold on me and that I must have an overt. In my viewpoint, I didn’t. I was just voicing the out-tech and that Bonnie violated the auditor’s code by being angry at her PC (me) in session for my origination.

    Well, I know what I know and I am proud of my awareness and my integrity. Nothing can change that.

    I know of many friends and PCs who went through this eval and inval on their Clear status review at Flag and their local orgs.

    Within last 2 years, 3 of my good Scientologists friends died. One after L11 (being an OTIII), one after a non-Clear R-factor and one after New OT V.

    There has been more death among my dedicated on-line Scientologist friends than those non-Scientologists.

    It is very obvious that LRH Tech is no longer applied correctly neither at Flag nor any orgs around the glob because of DM.

    • October 10, 2009 8:18 pm

      What this girl Bonnie did was completely contrary to the Auditors Code, yet this is how they are mistrained according to the dictates of the “Golden Age of Tech” . They are “taught” be suspicious of the PC and only “trust” the meter, even though they’ve never been taught how to read it correctly with any accuracy (what they call an “instant read” these days is actually a prior read and most F/Ns are bypassed) which leads to evaluation and invalidation of the PC or Pre OT.

      They are completely and totally adrift on the subject of clear. The rumors I’ve read and heard is that they don’t acknowledge the state if the PC says he went clear in an earlier life which means they are totally invalidating a person’s whole track or in many cases on Dianetics which is a complete invalidation of the subject!

      I worked on the original CCRD pilot back in the ’80’s and we had gotten it down to a science with very easy to follow steps if a PC originated they were clear or if the question read validly on the meter. Yet as far as I understand from what I’ve seen and heard they have thrown this tech right out the window and added so much complexity and so many arbitraries to the line up that it could now more accurately be called the Clear Uncertainty Rundown! Where the person feels more uncertain of the state than when they started!

      • NOTSaware permalink
        October 13, 2009 5:47 pm

        I can see now as I’d suspected, I wasn’t the only one abused on the very subject of clear. I was told while on OTV I wasn’t clear so had to go back to ned. I happened to be trained on the matter and I knew that my clear cog wasn’t fake nor fed. Pointless to say, ned didn’t do me any good, but I realized then that the tech was no longer in good hands.

  10. TRUTH permalink
    October 10, 2009 10:57 pm

    You are absolutely right on RJ! Thank you for duplicating my comm.

  11. OTambassadortoo permalink
    October 11, 2009 4:27 am

    What is true for you, it is true for you.
    I have a friend who called me to say he did CCRD at Flag , 4 times! before he was alowed to attest to the state of clear! He said when he finally got to attest he attested and then at the next 2 days he got sick, he called me and told me he was afraid to say he got sick as then he could spend more of his money he has for his OTs on the correction. Later he said he finally told his auditor, and he got a Dof P done, it came out he was clear since the first CCRD he had, and had a lot of BPC on it. He is now going to be “handled”. I think the flag c/ses and auditors aren’t sure and they ussually overrun pc’s. The EP is the EP. Don’t you think so? the rest is just an invalidation.

    • October 11, 2009 7:22 am


      Your correct!

      Per HCO BULLETIN OF 26 AUGUST 1968 REHAB & CORRECTION, Ron says: (begin fair use quote)

      You can correct a pc or Pre OT half to death.
      For instance the practice of rehabbing up to Grade II if it has been a week or two or
      more since the pc made Grade II in order to run III is a bit bonkers and serves as an
      Invalidation. You’re going to get any upset anyway in the rudiments so why the rehab?

      (end fair use quote)

      He uses a lot of technical terms here so I won’t quote the whole HCOB but he does say at the end: (begin fair use quote)

      When over-correction has been present YOU STRAIGHTEN OUT THE
      BLUNDERS IN THE FOLDER not just maul the pc around some more. And when you
      have the folder straight you mark it up to that point as remedied and after that only
      handle the pc when there’s something really gone wrong with him.
      At the present writing I am organizing the Class VIII Course to make Class VIII
      auditors. These are essentially Case Supervisors and crack standard tech people who can
      straighten out folders and pcs and Pre OTs. Looking over old Qual case folders I see they
      are desperately needed.
      But keep the fact in view, don’t correct a pc who needs no correction. Don’t rehab
      and Remedy him to death. Get him onto the next level or section and let him have his

      (end fair use quote)

  12. TRUTH permalink
    October 11, 2009 7:42 am


    Does your friend know that those Flag C/Ses and Auditors GAT training is not really LRH and can hurt the PC? I think RJ has explained it pretty well.

    If I was your friend, I won’t trust any of Flag C/Sing and auditing under Miscavology.

  13. Jane permalink
    November 20, 2009 2:16 am

    I remember back in the early 90’s my father spent large amounts of money at Flag for auditing of all kinds. I don’t remember all the details, however each time he came back home he was worse and worse (clearly unhappy and his temper in full force). It all started with it being indicated that he wasn’t Clear. He was blown from the Bridge from that point on.

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